‘Michael’ Wants to Start Something It Can’t Finish. Plus: ‘Mother Mary’ With David Lowery!

The Big Picture1h 47mApril 24, 2026

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In this three-part episode of The Big Picture, Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins, joined by guest Yassi Salik, dive into two contrasting new cinematic releases: Antoine Fuqua’s biopic 'Michael,' a sanitized tribute to Michael Jackson starring Jafar Jackson, and David Lowery’s gothic fantasia 'Mother Mary,' a deeply personal exploration of creative partnership and artistic identity. While 'Michael' is praised for its musical performances and Jafar Jackson’s uncanny resemblance to the young Jackson, the hosts lament its failure to confront the darker, more complex aspects of Jackson’s life—allegations of abuse, plastic surgery, and the psychological toll of fame—due to legal constraints that led to the removal of a crucial third act. This omission transforms the film into a hagiographic prequel, avoiding the emotional and moral reckoning that true biopics should provoke. In stark contrast, 'Mother Mary' is celebrated as a visually lush, emotionally resonant two-hander, with standout performances from Anne Hathaway and Michaela Cole. David Lowery reveals the film’s origins as a deeply immersive, evolving process—where raw emotional truth on set and innovative wind-driven puppetry created a ghost not as a literal entity but as a manifestation of psychic energy, inspired by quantum entanglement and phenomenology. The episode closes with Lowery reflecting on the living nature of art, his upcoming pre-production on 'Mother Mary 2,' and his admiration for films like 'Melancholia' and 'The Testament of Anne Lee,' which he sees as kindred spirits in their emotional depth and thematic ambition.

Key Takeaways
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Biopics of iconic figures like Michael Jackson often become sanitized, hagiographic narratives due to legal and estate constraints, avoiding the complex, uncomfortable truths of their legacies.

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True artistic depth emerges from vulnerability, conflict, and emotional honesty—qualities absent in 'Michael' but central to the success of 'Mother Mary'.

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David Lowery’s filmmaking process was deeply personal and evolving, with the film transforming during production into something almost supernatural, driven by raw performances and innovative visual metaphors.

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The ghost in 'Mother Mary' symbolizes emotional and psychic energy, inspired by quantum entanglement—a metaphor for the deep, unexplained bonds in creative and personal relationships.

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Filmmaking is a living, iterative process; the best works continue to evolve through re-evaluation, audience feedback, and obsessive physical and musical preparation.

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Chapters
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10 min

Introducing Michael and Mother Mary: A Dual Dive into Pop Icons

The episode opens with a lively introduction to the two featured films: Antoine Fuqua's Michael, a biopic on Michael Jackson starring Jafar Jackson, and David Lowery's Mother Mary, a gothic character study of a pop star and her costume designer. The hosts welcome guest Yassi Salik and set the stage for a deep dive into both films, highlighting their cultural significance and the unique challenges of portraying real-life music legends.

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30 min

Deconstructing Michael: The Hagiography That Can't Confront the Truth

This movie is already not being very well received kind of critically, but I do think by fans of Michael Jackson, of which there are still millions and many of whom who do not care about those allegations. And either do not believe or disinterested. It's an A minus cinema score. So, you know, people are... To your point, like the performances and the songs are incredible.

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40:00
40 min

The Ghost of Creativity: Mother Mary as a Feminine, Gothic Allegory

It's not a rah-rah feminism movie in any way. No, it's much more about, I think what Amanda is circling, which is like the nature of these creative relationships and partnerships and maybe even love relationships.

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1:20:00
5 min

David Lowery on the Making of Mother Mary: A Film Born from Personal Crisis

Anne saying, I'm afraid to speak the words right now because there's something inside of me that might come out when I open my mouth and it might hurt all of us. And maybe that was a metaphor. This is a movie full of metaphors. Maybe it was literal.

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1:24:00
6 min

The Living Film: Editing as a Continuous Evolution

This movie could have ended at various points... but there's more to extract. There's more to dig out of this.

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High-Impact Quotes
Anne saying, I'm afraid to speak the words right now because there's something inside of me that might come out when I open my mouth and it might hurt all of us. And maybe that was a metaphor. This is a movie full of metaphors. Maybe it was literal.
David Lowery81:54
Viral: 90.0
This movie could have ended at various points... but there's more to extract. There's more to dig out of this.
David Lowery85:27
Viral: 88.0
It's not a rah-rah feminism movie in any way. No, it's much more about, I think what Amanda is circling, which is like the nature of these creative relationships and partnerships and maybe even love relationships.
Yassi Salik58:22
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Hosts

Sean FennesseyAmanda Dobbins

Guests

Yassi SalikDavid Lowery
Topics Discussed
phantasmagoric storytelling and phenomenology92%film as a living organism90%quantum entanglement as metaphor90%music biopics and their limitations90%creative partnership and artistic ownership88%the legacy and complexity of michael jackson85%physical performance and choreography85%film pre-production and creative process85%cinematic recommendations and film appreciation80%
People & Brands

michael jackson

person

120xMixed

sean fennessey

person

80xNeutral

david lowery

person

69xPositive

yassi salik

person

50xPositive

anne hathaway

person

36xPositive

michaela cole

person

35xPositive

jafar jackson

person

25xPositive

antoinette fuqua

person

15xNeutral

Annie

person

8xPositive

Melancholia

media

3xPositive

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