‘Michael’ Wants to Start Something It Can’t Finish. Plus: ‘Mother Mary’ With David Lowery!
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In this three-part episode of The Big Picture, Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins, joined by guest Yassi Salik, dive into two contrasting new cinematic releases: Antoine Fuqua’s biopic 'Michael,' a sanitized tribute to Michael Jackson starring Jafar Jackson, and David Lowery’s gothic fantasia 'Mother Mary,' a deeply personal exploration of creative partnership and artistic identity. While 'Michael' is praised for its musical performances and Jafar Jackson’s uncanny resemblance to the young Jackson, the hosts lament its failure to confront the darker, more complex aspects of Jackson’s life—allegations of abuse, plastic surgery, and the psychological toll of fame—due to legal constraints that led to the removal of a crucial third act. This omission transforms the film into a hagiographic prequel, avoiding the emotional and moral reckoning that true biopics should provoke. In stark contrast, 'Mother Mary' is celebrated as a visually lush, emotionally resonant two-hander, with standout performances from Anne Hathaway and Michaela Cole. David Lowery reveals the film’s origins as a deeply immersive, evolving process—where raw emotional truth on set and innovative wind-driven puppetry created a ghost not as a literal entity but as a manifestation of psychic energy, inspired by quantum entanglement and phenomenology. The episode closes with Lowery reflecting on the living nature of art, his upcoming pre-production on 'Mother Mary 2,' and his admiration for films like 'Melancholia' and 'The Testament of Anne Lee,' which he sees as kindred spirits in their emotional depth and thematic ambition.
Biopics of iconic figures like Michael Jackson often become sanitized, hagiographic narratives due to legal and estate constraints, avoiding the complex, uncomfortable truths of their legacies.
True artistic depth emerges from vulnerability, conflict, and emotional honesty—qualities absent in 'Michael' but central to the success of 'Mother Mary'.
David Lowery’s filmmaking process was deeply personal and evolving, with the film transforming during production into something almost supernatural, driven by raw performances and innovative visual metaphors.
The ghost in 'Mother Mary' symbolizes emotional and psychic energy, inspired by quantum entanglement—a metaphor for the deep, unexplained bonds in creative and personal relationships.
Filmmaking is a living, iterative process; the best works continue to evolve through re-evaluation, audience feedback, and obsessive physical and musical preparation.
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Introducing Michael and Mother Mary: A Dual Dive into Pop Icons
The episode opens with a lively introduction to the two featured films: Antoine Fuqua's Michael, a biopic on Michael Jackson starring Jafar Jackson, and David Lowery's Mother Mary, a gothic character study of a pop star and her costume designer. The hosts welcome guest Yassi Salik and set the stage for a deep dive into both films, highlighting their cultural significance and the unique challenges of portraying real-life music legends.
Deconstructing Michael: The Hagiography That Can't Confront the Truth
“This movie is already not being very well received kind of critically, but I do think by fans of Michael Jackson, of which there are still millions and many of whom who do not care about those allegations. And either do not believe or disinterested. It's an A minus cinema score. So, you know, people are... To your point, like the performances and the songs are incredible.”
The Ghost of Creativity: Mother Mary as a Feminine, Gothic Allegory
“It's not a rah-rah feminism movie in any way. No, it's much more about, I think what Amanda is circling, which is like the nature of these creative relationships and partnerships and maybe even love relationships.”
David Lowery on the Making of Mother Mary: A Film Born from Personal Crisis
“Anne saying, I'm afraid to speak the words right now because there's something inside of me that might come out when I open my mouth and it might hurt all of us. And maybe that was a metaphor. This is a movie full of metaphors. Maybe it was literal.”
The Living Film: Editing as a Continuous Evolution
“This movie could have ended at various points... but there's more to extract. There's more to dig out of this.”
“Anne saying, I'm afraid to speak the words right now because there's something inside of me that might come out when I open my mouth and it might hurt all of us. And maybe that was a metaphor. This is a movie full of metaphors. Maybe it was literal.”
“This movie could have ended at various points... but there's more to extract. There's more to dig out of this.”
“It's not a rah-rah feminism movie in any way. No, it's much more about, I think what Amanda is circling, which is like the nature of these creative relationships and partnerships and maybe even love relationships.”
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michael jackson
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sean fennessey
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david lowery
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yassi salik
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anne hathaway
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michaela cole
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jafar jackson
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antoinette fuqua
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Annie
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Melancholia
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