How to Stop the People Who Are Leaving NYC

The Brian Lehrer Show37mApril 23, 2026

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The Brian Lehrer Show explores the accelerating exodus from New York City, driven by a confluence of factors including housing unaffordability, declining quality of life, and shifting economic dynamics. A new report from the Citizens Budget Commission reveals that over 114,000 people left NYC in the past year—20% more than the previous year—and that one in four residents are considering leaving within five years. The city faces a growing fiscal gap, with debates raging over whether to raise taxes on the wealthy or cut public spending to balance the budget. Andrew Ryan, president of the Citizens Budget Commission, argues that the city’s fiscal crisis stems not from low revenue but from inefficient spending, citing bloated programs, rising costs in housing vouchers, and underperforming schools. He advocates for smarter budgeting, program evaluation, and efficiency gains rather than tax hikes. In contrast, callers and listeners highlight personal struggles with rent, noise, lack of space, and the erosion of community—especially among middle-class families and seniors. The episode also examines how remote work, diversifying economies in states like Texas and Florida, and reduced immigration have weakened NYC’s competitive edge. While some suggest population decline could ease pressure on schools and housing, experts warn it would undermine the city’s vitality, tax base, and long-term resilience. The core tension remains: can NYC remain an attractive, equitable, and sustainable home for all without sacrificing its identity or financial stability?

Key Takeaways
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Over 114,000 people left NYC in the past year, a 20% increase from the prior year, with no single income group immune to the trend.

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A quarter of New Yorkers say they plan to leave within five years—driven more by housing costs, quality of life, and service quality than taxes.

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The city’s fiscal crisis is not due to low revenue but to inefficient spending; cutting wasteful programs and freezing growth in costly ones (like housing vouchers) could close the gap without tax hikes.

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Housing affordability is the dominant issue: asking rents are rising 3.8% annually—twice the pre-pandemic rate—and now represent 50% of median income.

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Remote work and economic diversification in states like Texas and Florida are increasing competition for talent and businesses, weakening NYC’s magnetism.

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2 min

The Exodus from NYC: A Growing Crisis

One in four, a quarter of the city, say they're planning to leave within five years.

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3 min

The Tax Debate: Raise or Cut?

The central policy debate is framed: should the city raise taxes on the wealthy to close the budget gap, or cut spending to improve efficiency? Andrew Ryan of the Citizens Budget Commission argues that the city’s fiscal problem is one of spending, not revenue, and that cutting inefficiencies can close the gap without tax hikes.

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5 min

Why People Are Leaving: Quality of Life, Not Just Taxes

It's not about money like I've gotten to a point where money isn't like a huge burden for me anymore, but I have a three-year-old son and we live in Ridgewood, Queens. And just like after having a kid, all the little chaotic things of New York that used to be kind of fun and interesting are now like kind of a drag.

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7 min

The Housing Crisis: Affordability and Supply

We're at $3,800 a month for asking rents, and that literally is 50% of the median household income.

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16:40
8 min

The Changing Competitive Landscape

The economies are diversifying, and so the competition is more fierce, and we have to be looking through that lens to make sure that we have a thriving New York.

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High-Impact Quotes
We're at $3,800 a month for asking rents, and that literally is 50% of the median household income.
Andrew Ryan17:06
Viral: 90.0
It's not about money like I've gotten to a point where money isn't like a huge burden for me anymore, but I have a three-year-old son and we live in Ridgewood, Queens. And just like after having a kid, all the little chaotic things of New York that used to be kind of fun and interesting are now like kind of a drag.
Sam18:12
Viral: 88.0
One in four, a quarter of the city, say they're planning to leave within five years.
Brian Lehrer1:02
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

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Brian Lehrer

Guest

Andrew Ryan
Topics Discussed
population decline95%housing affordability92%tax policy and fiscal responsibility88%quality of life in urban centers85%remote work and economic competition83%public school enrollment and performance80%city services and government efficiency78%immigration and demographic change75%
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