International Law, War Crimes and the War In Iran

The Brian Lehrer Show55mApril 8, 2026

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This episode of The Brian Lehrer Show examines the intersection of international law, war crimes, and escalating military rhetoric in the context of the U.S.-Iran conflict and ongoing violence in Lebanon and Gaza. Host Brian Lehrer opens with a chilling clip from Robert McNamara’s 2004 documentary *The Fog of War*, in which the former U.S. Defense Secretary admits the U.S. committed war crimes during World War II through the firebombing of Japanese cities and the use of nuclear weapons. The discussion then pivots to current events, focusing on President Trump’s inflammatory threats—calling Iran’s regime 'effing bastards,' vowing to destroy all Iranian power plants and bridges, and declaring that Iran’s 'whole civilization will die'—which both guests, Rachel Van Landingham and Eliav Lieblik, condemn as potential war crimes and criminal rhetoric. They emphasize that such statements violate the law of war by threatening indiscriminate attacks and spreading terror, and could dangerously influence military decision-making on the ground. The conversation explores the legal definitions of lawful military objectives, proportionality, and the principle of distinction, illustrating how even dual-use infrastructure like power plants or bridges can only be targeted under strict conditions. The guests also critique Israel’s conduct in Gaza and Lebanon, particularly the targeting of medical personnel and the use of forced displacement, arguing these actions may constitute war crimes. Despite a two-week ceasefire, both experts express skepticism about its strategic value, warning that Iran appears emboldened and that the U.S. has not achieved lasting security gains. The episode concludes with a sobering reflection on the limitations of international law enforcement, emphasizing the importance of training, moral leadership, and long-term legitimacy over immediate punishment.

Key Takeaways
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Rhetoric from world leaders, such as threats to destroy entire civilizations, can constitute war crimes under international law by threatening indiscriminate attacks and spreading terror.

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Under the law of war, civilian infrastructure like power plants and bridges can only be targeted if they provide a 'definite military advantage' and are used for military purposes—this requires rigorous, intelligence-based assessment.

3

The principle of proportionality requires that civilian harm not be 'excessive' compared to the concrete military advantage gained, and this test is easily undermined by existential rhetoric.

4

International law enforcement is limited, but long-term legitimacy and soft power—such as global outrage, weapon embargoes, and domestic protests—can constrain state behavior.

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Even if a state achieves tactical military success, it does not equate to strategic victory; the U.S. and Israel have not achieved lasting peace or security in the region.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Legacy of World War II and the Moral Weight of War Crimes

If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals. And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals.

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10:00
10 min

Trump’s Rhetoric as a War Crime: Threatening Civilian Annihilation

Those statements in and of themselves are criminal. They are criminal.

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20:00
10 min

The Legal Framework: Lawful Military Objectives and the Principle of Proportionality

Van Landingham explains the three-part legal test for targeting under international law: distinction, proportionality, and feasible precautions. She emphasizes that even dual-use infrastructure like power plants can only be targeted if they provide a 'definite military advantage' and if the harm to civilians is not excessive. The discussion highlights how Trump’s blanket threats violate the foundational principle of distinction.

30:00
10 min

The Ripple Effect: How Rhetoric Influences Battlefield Conduct

The reverberating effects of that rhetoric on actual tactical level decisions by service members, all the way from strategic to operational, but really the tactical level. Those reverberating effects cannot be ignored.

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40:00
10 min

Israel’s Conduct in Gaza and Lebanon: Double Tap Strikes and Forced Displacement

Unless they are actually fighting, that's prohibited. Right and can amount to a war crime if intentional.

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High-Impact Quotes
If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals. And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals.
Robert McNamara3:40
Viral: 95.0
Those statements in and of themselves are criminal. They are criminal.
Rachel Van Landingham16:00
Viral: 88.0
The reverberating effects of that rhetoric on actual tactical level decisions by service members, all the way from strategic to operational, but really the tactical level. Those reverberating effects cannot be ignored.
Rachel Van Landingham17:36
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Brian Lehrer

Guests

Rachel Van LandinghamEliav Lieblik
Topics Discussed
War Crimes and International Law95%Rhetoric and Military Conduct90%Law of Armed Conflict88%Civilian Protection in War87%Proportionality in Warfare85%Ceasefire and Strategic Outcomes80%Nuclear Threats and Existential Rhetoric78%Enforcement of International Law75%
People & Brands

Iran

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22xMixed

Israel

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19xMixed

President Trump

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18xNegative

World War II

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12xNeutral

Department of Defense

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8xNeutral

Hezbollah

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7xNegative

Geneva Conventions

other

6xPositive

Hamas

organization

6xNegative

Vietnam War

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5xMixed

Robert McNamara

person

5xNeutral

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