The New York Times Picks the Greatest Living Songwriters
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The Brian Lehrer Show, hosted by Amina Serna, explores The New York Times' list of the 30 greatest living American songwriters, using it as a springboard for a lively, subjective discussion about musical greatness. Guest Lindsay Zolads, a pop critic at The Times and author of The Amplifier newsletter, explains the complex criteria behind the list—balancing traditional songcraft with modern, genre-blurring innovation, and recognizing both performing artists and behind-the-scenes writers. She defends the inclusion of diverse figures like Dolly Parton, Bruce Springsteen, Lana Del Rey, and Taylor Swift, emphasizing longevity, emotional depth, and artistic reinvention. The segment also highlights the controversy and exclusions, such as Tom Waits and Tori Amos, underscoring the inherent subjectivity of such rankings. Listeners call in with their own picks, including Mariah Carey and Lucinda Williams, reinforcing the idea that songwriting greatness is deeply personal and culturally resonant. The episode ultimately celebrates the American songbook as a living, evolving tradition—where innovation and legacy coexist. Key takeaways include the importance of emotional authenticity in songwriting, the evolving role of producers and collaborators, and the enduring power of storytelling through music. The conversation reveals that greatness isn't just about hits or fame, but about sustained artistic vision, cultural impact, and the ability to shape future generations of artists. The tone is enthusiastic and intellectually curious, embracing debate as part of the celebration of music.
Songwriting greatness is defined not just by hits, but by emotional depth, longevity, and cultural influence.
The line between songwriter and producer has blurred, especially in modern pop and hip-hop.
Artists like Lana Del Rey and Taylor Swift exemplify how personal voice and storytelling can redefine pop music.
Behind-the-scenes songwriters like Niall Rogers and Carole King deserve recognition for shaping iconic songs.
Lists like this are meant to spark conversation, not settle debates—greatness is deeply subjective.
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Introducing the New York Times' List of Greatest Living Songwriters
Amina Serna opens the segment with a clip of Dolly Parton's '9 to 5' and introduces The New York Times' list of 30 greatest living American songwriters, inviting listeners to share their own picks.
Defining Greatness: Craft, Innovation, and Legacy
“I think we were trying to strike a balance between the sort of traditional singer-songwriter... and trying to incorporate some newer ideas and newer genres and younger musicians who we think are redefining what it means to write a song.”
Why Lana Del Rey Made the Cut
“She's someone who's really dedicated to finding her own voice as a songwriter, really tapping into some emotions and feelings... and is sort of a blend of that tradition I was talking about, but also taking it somewhere new.”
The Controversy of Exclusion: Tom Waits, Tori Amos, and the Spillover List
“There were some really hard debates and some hard cuts. And some of the people that I was advocating for, unfortunately did not make the final list.”
Listeners Weigh In: Personal Picks and Cultural Reflections
Callers share their own picks—Mariah Carey, Tom Waits, Lucinda Williams—highlighting the emotional and personal connection listeners have with songwriters, reinforcing the subjectivity of greatness.
“She's someone who's really dedicated to finding her own voice as a songwriter, really tapping into some emotions and feelings... and is sort of a blend of that tradition I was talking about, but also taking it somewhere new.”
“I think we were trying to strike a balance between the sort of traditional singer-songwriter... and trying to incorporate some newer ideas and newer genres and younger musicians who we think are redefining what it means to write a song.”
“There were some really hard debates and some hard cuts. And some of the people that I was advocating for, unfortunately did not make the final list.”
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Amina Serna
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Dolly Parton
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Lana Del Rey
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Bruce Springsteen
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Taylor Swift
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Carole King
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