Carol Leonnig and Will Sommer: The Loons and the Loyalists Running the DOJ

The Bulwark Podcast51mApril 28, 2026

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In this episode of The Bulwark Podcast, hosts Tim Miller and Charissa welcome investigative journalists Carol Leonnig and Will Sommer to discuss the deepening crisis within the U.S. Justice Department and the FBI under the Trump administration. Leonnig dissects the Secret Service's failure at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, emphasizing that while the suspect was stopped just two feet inside the perimeter, the breach of protocol—especially the failure of magnetometer security—was a catastrophic lapse. She highlights the incompetence of the new agent in charge, calling it a 'colossal failure' of basic security principles. Leonnig also details how the DOJ is being purged of career prosecutors who don’t align with Trump’s political agenda, citing the firing of Maria Long for refusing to pursue baseless charges against John Brennan. She underscores the intense internal resentment toward acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and former Attorney General Pam Bondi, with agents reportedly throwing Bondi’s portrait in the trash. The episode then shifts to Will Sommer’s reporting on the growing chaos within the right-wing media ecosystem, focusing on the escalating personal feuds among figures like Candace Owens, Laura Loomer, and Nick Fuentes. Sommer also reveals explosive new reporting on the controversial figure Clavicular, who allegedly overdosed, is now entangled with Israeli organized crime through a nightclub venture, and is reportedly pursuing fatherhood—a development that raises serious concerns about his judgment and stability. The hosts reflect on how these internal fractures, once hidden behind a unified MAGA front, are now becoming public and potentially damaging to the movement’s cohesion.

Key Takeaways
1

The Secret Service’s failure at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner was a systemic breakdown, not just a single misstep—especially the failure of magnetometer security and lack of stairwell surveillance.

2

The DOJ is being systematically purged of career prosecutors who resist politically motivated investigations, with figures like Maria Long fired for refusing to pursue unsubstantiated cases.

3

Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and former AG Pam Bondi are deeply unpopular within the DOJ, with agents viewing them as traitors to professional standards.

4

Kash Patel is viewed with near-universal disdain by FBI agents, who see him as a destabilizing force whose orders have led to baseless raids and wasted resources.

5

The right-wing media ecosystem is fracturing, with high-profile feuds between figures like Candace Owens and Laura Loomer, signaling a loss of unified messaging.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Secret Service Failure at the Correspondents' Dinner

But when you can't remember the lesson from 60 years before, that's a problem.

Highlight
10:00
10 min

The DOJ Purge: Firing Prosecutors Who Won't Play Ball

We don't see any evidence of that. We don't have a case. And then off with your heads, she's removed from being in charge of that case.

Highlight
20:00
10 min

The Resentment Toward Bondi and Blanche in the DOJ

Leonnig explains the deep disdain within the DOJ for both Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, with agents viewing them as outsiders who don’t understand the institution. The symbolic act of throwing Bondi’s portrait in the trash reflects the level of institutional anger.

30:00
10 min

Kash Patel’s Toxic Leadership at the FBI

The place is a disaster because of Kash Patel. That was their language. That's how vitriolic the feeling is.

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40:00
10 min

The Fracturing of the Right-Wing Media Ecosystem

You know, I think there's a lot of turmoil there. And I think that's a noteworthy change.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
The place is a disaster because of Kash Patel. That was their language. That's how vitriolic the feeling is.
Carol Leonnig23:20
Viral: 90.0
He literally pulled the IVs out and they said, no, don't leave the hospital. And he said, I got to go to Bakara, you know, and satisfy Hai here.
Will Sommer49:36
Viral: 88.0
But when you can't remember the lesson from 60 years before, that's a problem.
Carol Leonnig5:28
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Tim MillerCharissa

Guests

Carol LeonnigWill Sommer
Topics Discussed
Secret Service Security Failures95%Justice Department Purge90%FBI Leadership and Internal Conflict88%Right-Wing Media Fractures85%Organized Crime and Right-Wing Figures82%Political Assassination Attempts80%Mental Health and Assassination Attempts75%Influencer Culture and Personal Feuds70%
People & Brands

Kash Patel

person

18xNegative

Carol Leonnig

person

15xPositive

Will Sommer

person

12xPositive

Clavicular

person

12xNegative

Tim Miller

person

10xNeutral

Todd Blanche

person

10xNegative

Pam Bondi

person

8xNegative

Haiwaknin

person

8xNegative

Candace Owens

person

8xNegative

Laura Loomer

person

7xNegative

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