How Iranians See the War
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This episode of The Daily explores how ordinary Iranians are experiencing the ongoing war between Iran and a U.S.-Israel coalition, following President Trump's dramatic call for the Iranian people to rise up against their government. Reporter Claire Tennesketter shares intimate, first-hand accounts from two Iranians with opposing perspectives: Si, a former activist who fled Iran before the war and now questions the effectiveness of protest after witnessing state violence and a failed uprising; and F, a translator and musician who chose quiet, internal resistance over rebellion, believing change must come from within. While Si feels disillusioned by the failure of mass protests and now hopes for external military action to dismantle the regime, F remains deeply committed to Iran, rejecting foreign intervention despite its brutality, and sees hope in small acts of defiance like women removing their hijabs and singing publicly. The episode reveals a nation fractured by war, where the absence of communication, widespread destruction, and deep ideological divides have reshaped personal beliefs about resistance, hope, and national identity. Despite the trauma, both individuals hold onto fragile hope—Si in the possibility of renewed conflict, F in the resilience of everyday life and cultural expression. The episode underscores the complexity of political change in Iran, contrasting the futility of violent protest with the power of subtle, persistent resistance. It challenges the Western narrative of revolution by showing how many Iranians, especially those who have lived under repression, now view foreign intervention with suspicion and prioritize internal transformation. The ceasefire brings mixed emotions—relief for survival, but anxiety about what comes next. Ultimately, the stories of Si and F reveal that the war is not just a geopolitical conflict, but a deeply personal struggle over identity, freedom, and the meaning of home.
Many Iranians reject foreign military intervention, even when it targets their government, fearing it will bring greater destruction and chaos.
Quiet, personal resistance—like changing clothing norms, singing publicly, or redefining marriage contracts—can be a more sustainable form of change than mass protest.
The trauma of war and state violence has led some former activists to lose faith in protest, while others double down on internal transformation.
Hope persists not in grand revolutions, but in small, everyday acts of defiance—like a woman singing or a flower growing through a crack in the sidewalk.
Iranians are deeply divided not just by politics, but by generational and ideological experiences of war, repression, and identity.
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The Call to Uprising and the Silence That Followed
President Trump's video appeal for Iranians to overthrow their government is met with silence as the country is plunged into a near-total internet blackout. Reporter Claire Tennesketter attempts to reach Iranians in Tehran but receives no responses, highlighting the dangers of speaking to foreign journalists and the regime's communication blackout.
Breaking Through the Digital Blackout
After days of silence, Tennesketter finally receives a few replies from Iranians who managed to access the internet via workarounds like Starlink. These brief messages reveal the immediate shock of bombings, the spread of rumors (including the false claim of Ayatollah Khamenei’s death), and the emotional toll of isolation.
Two Voices: The Activist and the Quiet Resister
“I prefer a hard life with meaning to an easy life, empty. So it's like this for me.”
The Cost of Protest and the Rise of Quiet Resistance
Si recounts his journey from childhood doubt to public protest, including spray-painting anti-regime slogans. He describes the 2023 crackdown on demonstrators, where security forces shot protesters in the head. F, meanwhile, shares how she resisted through small acts—changing her clothing, singing, and redefining her marriage contract—believing change must come from within.
Hope in the Aftermath: Returning Home and Holding On
“We are doomed to hope, to have hope. And so long as it does, she thinks there's a chance to create change.”
“We are doomed to hope, to have hope. And so long as it does, she thinks there's a chance to create change.”
“Greenery that grows on the corner of a sidewalk. Even if it's only in the small spaces where change is possible, like weeds growing through cracks in the sidewalk. It's really the sign of hope.”
“I prefer a hard life with meaning to an easy life, empty. So it's like this for me.”
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