What Drives Political Violence in America
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In this urgent episode of The Daily, host Natalie Kittroff speaks with University of Chicago professor Robert Pape, a leading expert on political violence, about the alarming rise of violent populism in the United States. Pape argues that we are in a new era where tens of millions of Americans—across the political spectrum—now see political violence as acceptable, marking a dangerous shift from past periods of unrest. Drawing on extensive survey data and historical parallels to the 1920s and 1960s, he identifies two core drivers: the country’s transition from a white majority to a white minority democracy and the massive concentration of wealth in the top 1%. These structural changes have fueled existential fears on both sides, leading to a bipartisan surge in support for violence. Pape emphasizes that the perpetrators are no longer just marginalized individuals but include educated, middle- and upper-middle-class people who feel their future is at stake. He warns that political rhetoric—both from leaders like Trump and Biden and from online communities—acts as a catalyst, amplifying existing tensions. While social media and online glorification of violence are accelerants, Pape stresses they are not the root cause. The episode concludes with a call to action: the 75% of Americans who oppose political violence must use their collective voice by contacting elected officials and demanding bipartisan condemnation of violence, as this is the only immediate lever available before the pivotal midterm elections.
Tens of millions of Americans now accept political violence as a legitimate tool, with support rising to 14–21% on both sides of the political spectrum.
The primary drivers of violent populism are demographic change (transition from white majority to minority democracy) and the concentration of wealth in the top 1%.
Violent actors are no longer just fringe extremists—they are often educated, suburban, middle- and upper-middle-class individuals who fear political exclusion.
Political rhetoric from leaders, including calls to 'punch back' or mocking attacks, significantly increases the risk of violence by normalizing it.
Social media amplifies support for violence but is not the root cause; historical precedents show violent populism can thrive without it.
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The Rise of Violent Populism
“Tens of millions of Americans on both sides of the aisle see political violence as acceptable. And once you have tens of millions of Americans, not a fringe, not a few militia groups who see violence as acceptable, this changes everything.”
Historical Parallels and Data on Acceptance
Pape presents survey data from the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats, showing that support for political violence has doubled since 2021, with 14–21% of Americans now endorsing it. He draws historical comparisons to the 1920s and 1960s, when similar levels of public support for violence existed, but notes the current era is unique in its bipartisan nature.
Root Causes: Demographics and Wealth Inequality
“As we are now in what I call the tipping point generation for transitioning from the white majority to the white minority democracy... immigration is probably the number one lightning rod issue in America today.”
The Changing Profile of Violent Actors
“Think of it as insurrectionists in a business suit living in a nice suburb right next to you.”
Rhetoric, Social Media, and the Path to Violence
While social media amplifies support for violence, Pape argues it is not the root cause. Instead, he emphasizes the role of top-down rhetoric from political leaders and bottom-up online glorification. He cites examples like Trump Jr.’s mocking post after the Pelosi attack and online celebration of the UnitedHealthcare CEO’s killing as key moments of social validation.
“We can have a better future. It is a choice, but it's a choice that we the people have to make and it's we the 75 percent have to make because that is the country and that is our future.”
“Tens of millions of Americans on both sides of the aisle see political violence as acceptable. And once you have tens of millions of Americans, not a fringe, not a few militia groups who see violence as acceptable, this changes everything.”
“As we are now in what I call the tipping point generation for transitioning from the white majority to the white minority democracy... immigration is probably the number one lightning rod issue in America today.”
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