Off the Record: Steven Curtis and Mary Beth Chapman
The most powerful marriage advice isn't found in books or conferences—it's in the daily, messy act of choosing to love someone who is fundamentally different from you, even when you're both broken and grieving. In this raw, intimate conversation, Grammy-winning musician Steven Curtis Chapman and his wife Mary Beth share how they've stayed married for over four decades not by avoiding conflict, but by embracing it—especially after the unimaginable loss of their daughter Maria. They reveal that their marriage survived not because they were perfect, but because they were willing to be fired by counselors, to admit they were wrong, and to let each other grieve in their own way. The book *Still Here* isn't a guide to success—it's a confession of failure, a testament to grace, and a radical call to 'hobble well' through life’s storms. What they’ve learned is that love isn’t about fixing each other, but about showing up with humility, curiosity, and the courage to say, 'I don’t know how to do this—but I’ll keep trying.' This conversation dismantles the myth that marriage is about finding the right person or mastering the right system. Instead, it’s about recognizing that every marriage is a lifelong journey of mutual transformation, where the enemy isn’t your spouse—but the illusion that you can ever be 'fixed' or 'complete' without God.
Marriage isn't about finding the right person—it's about choosing to love someone who is fundamentally different from you, even when it's hard.
The most powerful healing comes not from fixing your spouse, but from admitting you're wrong and asking for forgiveness in front of your children.
Grief doesn't follow a timeline—there is no 'over it.' But you can survive it by anchoring your heart in God, even when you're angry at Him.
Your spouse’s criticism isn't an attack—it’s a gift. The person who loves you most will also be your toughest critic.
You don’t need more books or podcasts. You need to ask your spouse, 'How can I love you right now?' and then do it.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Song That Started It All
The episode opens with the origin of the hit song 'I Will Be Here,' which became a wedding staple and sparked publishers' interest in a marriage memoir. But the Chapmans weren't interested—because they didn't see themselves as a 'perfect marriage.'
Why They Wrote 'Still Here'
“It was really scary even going into this process, even after 41 years, because we know we're not out of the woods until we walk into heaven.”
How They Met (Before the Internet)
A nostalgic, humorous story of how they met at Anderson College via a shared mailbox—before cell phones, texting, or even electricity—leading to a courtship that felt like stalking but was actually romantic.
The Myth of 'If We Just Had Stability'
“If we could just get stability economically... then all this other stuff takes care of itself. And you all are a good outsized—like so far outside the bell curve.”
The Lie of the 'Fix-It' Marriage Book
“The only marriage book we could write is what not to do, how not to do it. Mistakes to avoid.”
“We know we're not out of the woods until we walk into heaven.”
“I don't get you. I don't like you. I'm mad, but I'm going to trust you, and I'm going to worship you.”
“The only marriage book we could write is what not to do, how not to do it. Mistakes to avoid.”
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Mary Beth Chapman
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Steven Curtis Chapman
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John Delony
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Maria Chapman
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Psalms
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Still Here
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Scotty Smith
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C.S. Lewis
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Anderson College
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Red Lobster
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