Droopy Is Not A Looney Tune Character (ft. special guest, David Lowery)
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The Empire Film Podcast dives into a dynamic episode featuring a mix of lighthearted banter, film news, and a deep-dive interview with director David Lowery about his new psychological pop drama, Mother Mary. The hosts kick off with a lively discussion on iconic prison breaks in cinema, ranging from the elaborate escape in Kung Fu Panda to the emotionally resonant Shawshank Redemption, before shifting to a thoughtful conversation on biopics—praising Better Man and Rocketman while criticizing the sanitized, hagiographic portrayal of Michael Jackson in the new film of the same name. The highlight of the episode is the interview with Lowery, who reveals how Mother Mary emerged from his personal fascination with pop music, his creative collaboration with Jack Antonoff and Charli XCX, and the intense, emotionally draining process of making a film that felt like an exorcism. The film, starring Anne Hathaway and Michaela Cole, is described as a visually lush, psychologically intense, and musically rich experience that evolves into something surreal and deeply personal. The episode concludes with mixed reviews: Mother Mary and Apex receive strong four-star ratings, while Michael Jackson is harshly criticized for its lack of nuance and avoidance of the subject’s controversial legacy. The hosts express hope for a more honest sequel, underscoring the film’s ethical and artistic shortcomings.
Mother Mary is a deeply personal, music-driven psychodrama that blends fashion, pop culture, and emotional exorcism.
David Lowery’s collaboration with Jack Antonoff and Charli XCX resulted in songs that evolved dramatically through Anne Hathaway’s intense creative input.
The film’s concert sequences were heavily inspired by Taylor Swift’s Reputation Tour, particularly its scale, presence, and audience connection.
Michael Jackson (2026) is widely criticized for being a sanitized, hagiographic biopic that avoids addressing the subject’s well-known controversies.
The film’s last-minute reshoots and abrupt ending suggest a lack of narrative courage, leaving audiences with a sense of omission rather than resolution.
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Welcome & Introduction to the Episode
The hosts welcome listeners, introduce the special guest David Lowery, and set the tone with playful banter and a tease of the upcoming interview.
Prison Breaks in Film: A Lively Debate
The hosts engage in a spirited discussion on the greatest prison escapes in cinema, citing examples from Paddington 2 and Kung Fu Panda to Shawshank Redemption and The Rock.
Biopics: What Makes a Great One?
A thoughtful exploration of biographical films, with praise for Better Man, Rocketman, and Amadeus, and criticism of overly sanitized or simplistic portrayals.
Film News: Avengers Endgame Re-release & Doomsday
The hosts react to the Avengers Endgame re-release and the Doomsday trailer, discussing the cynicism behind the re-release and the significance of the new footage.
“I think it is a cynical film. I think that the best biopics are the ones that show you warts and all, and according to this, he never had a wart in his entire life.”
“This is not a good film. This is bad in the sense of terrible, not bad in the sense of good. It is dramatically inert.”
“I feel like if you're a Michael Jackson fan, this does you a disservice because it doesn't get under the skin of what made him the star that he was.”
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David Lowery
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Mother Mary
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Michael Jackson
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Anne Hathaway
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Michaela Cole
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Jack Antonoff
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Charli XCX
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Avengers Endgame
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Taylor Swift
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Colman Domingo
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