D2DO299: The State of Platform Engineering and DevEx
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In this episode of Day 2 DevOps, host Ned Bellavance and co-host Kyler Middleton welcome Anam Shah, a cloud platform engineer at a British cosmetics brand, to discuss the evolving landscape of platform engineering and developer experience (DevEx). Anam shares her journey from on-premise infrastructure to platform engineering, highlighting how consultancy and product-led development shaped her career. She emphasizes the importance of treating internal developers as customers, fostering a blameless culture, and using innovative practices like 'engineering Kafka'—a team-building simulation using fictional scenarios—to drive collaboration and knowledge sharing. The conversation dives deep into how AI is transforming infrastructure as code (IaC), particularly through tools like Copilot, Claude, and the emerging Terraform MCP server, which can accelerate migrations, generate CI/CD pipelines, and refactor complex state files. Anam recounts using AI to migrate her personal projects from HCP Terraform to GitHub Actions, leveraging prompt engineering and multi-model workflows to improve accuracy and reduce hallucination. The hosts explore how AI helps bridge the gap between zero-to-one and day two challenges, especially in complex environments like AWS Control Tower and Azure Landing Zones, by simplifying policy understanding and enabling more agile, tailored infrastructure design. The episode concludes with a reflection on the balance between tooling, cost, and flexibility, and the growing role of AI in making platform engineering more adaptive and developer-centric.
Treat internal developers as customers and involve them in tooling decisions to build trust and improve adoption.
Use 'engineering Kafka'—fictional scenario simulations—to foster collaboration, reduce ego-driven resistance, and safely explore architecture ideas.
AI tools like Copilot and Claude are accelerating IaC workflows, especially during migrations and state refactoring.
Leverage multiple AI models for prompt generation and code review to reduce hallucination and improve output quality.
AI helps simplify complex day two challenges like landing zone setup, policy enforcement, and infrastructure governance without over-engineering.
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Introduction to Engineering Kafka and Platform Engineering
“It's amazing because you're getting together so many different engineers, you're getting together back and front end. And everyone's got their own input, which is so valuable.”
Anam's Career Path: From On-Prem to Platform Engineering
Anam traces her journey from on-premise infrastructure and government work to consultancy and eventually product-led development at a makeup brand. She reflects on how each role shaped her perspective on platform engineering and DevEx.
Building a Developer-Centric Platform Culture
“I consider them all to be internal stakeholders. We've all been there. I consider them all to be internal stakeholders.”
AI in Infrastructure as Code: Accelerating Migrations
“I gave it several different prompts... write me a build and deploy GitHub Actions pipeline that mimics how the layout of HCP Cloud looks.”
The Role of AI in Day Two Challenges and Landing Zones
“AI can help you develop a landing zone that fits your actual requirements without all the overkill that's inherent in something like Azure's landing zones.”
“Use a different AI tool to write your prompts for you... it felt a bit revolutionary to me.”
“AI can help you develop a landing zone that fits your actual requirements without all the overkill that's inherent in something like Azure's landing zones.”
“It's amazing because you're getting together so many different engineers, you're getting together back and front end. And everyone's got their own input, which is so valuable.”
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Anam Shah
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Ned Bellavance
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Kyler Middleton
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Day 2 DevOps
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HCP Terraform
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GitHub Actions
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Terraform MCP Server
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Claude
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Copilot
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