Live from Delphi: Can the US and Europe find a way back?
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This special edition of The Foreign Desk, recorded at the Delphi Economic Forum, examines the deepening rift between the United States and Europe amid a second Trump administration marked by erratic foreign policy, aggressive rhetoric, and a perceived erosion of the transatlantic alliance. Guests including Ian Brzezinski, Paul Dans, Peter Baker, and Arantxa González-Lea explore whether Europe should continue betting on America despite growing disillusionment, with Brzezinski arguing that while Trump’s actions are alarming, the broader American political system remains committed to NATO and transatlantic values. Paul Dans, director of Project 2025, acknowledges the movement's evolution beyond Trump but warns of its co-option by elites and the need for new ideological champions. Peter Baker reveals a White House increasingly insulated from dissent, where media criticism is met with legal threats and intimidation, while Arantxa González-Lea stresses that the crisis is structural, not temporary, and calls for Europe to build its own defense resilience independent of U.S. reliability. The episode concludes with a sobering assessment: the era of American-led global order may be over, and Europe must now navigate a zero-sum world with greater autonomy. Key takeaways include: 1) Europe must stop treating U.S. foreign policy shifts as temporary disruptions and instead prepare for long-term strategic autonomy; 2) The transatlantic alliance remains resilient at the institutional and public levels, even if the current administration undermines it; 3) The U.S. political system is not monolithic—Congress and the public still broadly support NATO, even if the president does not; 4) European defense spending must rise to match strategic threats, especially in the Baltics and Ukraine; 5) The media’s role in holding power accountable is under existential threat from political retaliation; 6) The MAGA movement is fracturing between its leadership and base, signaling internal instability; 7) The U.S. military’s overconfidence in quick victories—seen in the Iran war—is a dangerous pattern; 8) Europe must stop being divided by U.S. tactics and unify around a shared security vision.
Europe must prepare for long-term strategic autonomy, not just wait for the U.S. to return to 'normal'.
Despite Trump’s actions, 70% of Americans still support NATO, and Congress remains overwhelmingly transatlanticist.
The U.S. military’s belief in quick, decisive wins through long-range strikes has proven naive and costly in Iran.
European defense spending must rise to match threats, with Spain now exceeding 2% of GDP in defense investment.
The MAGA movement is internally divided, with leaders criticizing Trump while the base remains loyal.
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The Transatlantic Alliance in Crisis: A New Reality
“The Suez Crisis of 1956 was a disruption of the transatlantic alliance, not a disbandment. The current situation feels different.”
Ian Brzezinski: The Long Bet on America
“Europe needs to take the long bet on America. You need to step back and look at the American polity as an entirety.”
Paul Dans: The Project 2025 Movement Beyond Trump
“We can't have it just attached to one personality. Where are these ideas going to go and who are going to be the next champions?”
Peter Baker: Covering a Hostile White House
“If we let that stop us, then we don't have any business being in journalism.”
“If we let that stop us, then we don't have any business being in journalism.”
“Europe needs to take the long bet on America. You need to step back and look at the American polity as an entirety.”
“We can't have it just attached to one personality. Where are these ideas going to go and who are going to be the next champions?”
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Donald Trump
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United States
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Europe
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NATO
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Iran
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Spain
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Ian Brzezinski
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The New York Times
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Paul Dans
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Project 2025
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