THE HERD - Hour 2 - Rachel Nichols stops by to talk about the NBA Finals
Rachel Nichols, covering her 25th NBA Finals, delivers a visceral account of Game 4’s electric atmosphere—calling it the second-best game she’s ever witnessed, just behind the 2016 Cavaliers’ historic 3-1 comeback. She recounts the Knicks’ fans refusing to leave the arena, singing New York anthems long after the game ended, and shares emotional moments with legends like Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, and Bill Bradley. Nichols argues that while Victor Wemby’s physical dominance is undeniable, his lack of offensive polish and fatigue in the fourth quarter reveal a 22-year-old still developing. She praises Jalen Brunson’s relentless leadership and fourth-quarter heroics as the real engine of the Knicks’ comeback, calling him a 'small guy with a true leader’s heart.' The episode also critiques the NBA’s new CBA, which discourages star-stacking and rewards roster composition over individual talent, making teams like the Knicks—built on depth and fit—more viable than ever. Finally, the conversation turns to the broader cultural moment, with a sharp critique of college sports’ prohibitionist gambling policies, arguing that banning bets on college athletes is unrealistic and counterproductive.
Game 4 of the 2026 NBA Finals ranks as Rachel Nichols’ second-favorite game ever, behind only the 2016 Cavs’ 3-1 comeback.
Knicks fans refused to leave the arena after Game 4, singing New York anthems and creating a communal celebration that lasted well beyond the final buzzer.
Victor Wemby’s defensive brilliance is unmatched, but he needs more offensive consistency and must improve his endurance in the fourth quarter.
Jalen Brunson’s leadership, fourth-quarter availability, and ability to thrive under pressure make him the true engine of the Knicks’ success.
The new NBA CBA disincentivizes star-stacking and rewards roster composition, making teams like the Knicks—built on fit and depth—more competitive.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Rachel Nichols on Her 25th NBA Finals and Game 4's Legacy
“I've been a fan of the team since the 60s. He said, I have never seen anything like it.”
Wemby’s Development: Physicality vs. Offense and Mental Maturity
“When he missed those two free throws, that is the kind of moment that I don't expect to see from him two years from now.”
Brunson vs. OG: The MVP Debate and the Power of Relentlessness
“When you are that short, when you do have the Becky Hammonds of the world or all the other people saying, hey, I don't know if you can make it in this league, part of your game. Nothing can be left on the table.”
The New NBA CBA: Roster Composition Over Star Power
Nichols explains how the new CBA discourages star-stacking and penalizes overpaid players, making roster fit and depth more valuable than individual superstars. She argues this benefits teams like the Knicks.
College Athletes and Gambling: Prohibition Is a Failure
The episode shifts to a critique of NCAA gambling rules, arguing that banning college athletes from betting is unrealistic and counterproductive. The host calls for regulation and education over prohibition.
“When you are that short, when you do have the Becky Hammonds of the world or all the other people saying, hey, I don't know if you can make it in this league, part of your game. Nothing can be left on the table.”
“Johnny Mac said to me, he's like, I've been I've been a fan of the team since the 60s. He said, I have never seen anything like it.”
“When he missed those two free throws, that is the kind of moment that I don't expect to see from him two years from now.”
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colin cowherd
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jalen brunson
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victor wemby
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rachel nichols
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mitch johnson
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eli manning
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derek jeter
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luka doncic
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dylan harper
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de'aaron fox
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