724: The Problem with Pagan Masculinity with Zach Wagner

The Holy Post1h 27mJune 10, 2026
AI-Generated Summary

The Holy Post podcast confronts a growing crisis in Christian masculinity, arguing that a reactionary backlash against feminism has led to a dangerous fusion of pagan ideals with Christian identity. Host Phil Vischer and guest Zach Wagner dissect how the 'manosphere'—from online influencers to political movements—has weaponized grievance, replacing biblical virtue with a hyper-masculine, might-makes-right ethos reminiscent of Roman gladiatorial culture. Wagner's book, *Men of Virtue*, challenges this narrative by recentering Christian masculinity on the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control—not strength, dominance, or violence. The episode reveals how this re-paganized masculinity, exemplified by the planned UFC fight on the White House lawn, contradicts the crucified Christ who embodies sacrificial, non-violent power. The hosts argue that both extreme feminism and masculinism distort God’s design by unmooring power from love, while true Christian virtue requires men and women to steward their embodied differences—not to dominate or erase them—but to serve one another in mutual flourishing.

Key Takeaways
1

Christian masculinity should be defined by the fruit of the Spirit, not by dominance, strength, or cultural stereotypes.

2

The rise of 'masculinism' is not a return to tradition but a re-paganization of masculinity rooted in 'might makes right' ideology.

3

The planned UFC fight on the White House lawn symbolizes a culture that glorifies violent spectacle over Christlike humility and service.

4

True male virtue is not about physical power but about self-control, gentleness, and love—qualities that are often mislabeled as 'feminine'.

5

The cross is the ultimate antithesis of pagan masculinity: it is the power of weakness, surrender, and love, not force.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction: The Southern Baptist Fixation on Gender

The episode opens with a critique of the Southern Baptist Convention's focus on banning women from preaching, contrasting it with broader Christian traditions grappling with AI, poverty, and human identity.

1:50
3 min

The Crisis of Identity: From Abolition to Abortion

Phil and Caitlin reflect on how white evangelicalism has become frozen in Cold War-era culture wars, prioritizing issues like abortion, Israel, and homosexuality over deeper anthropological questions.

4:43
2 min

The Paganization of Masculinity

It's not just a recovery of some Christian past. It's a pagan ideas that are being accelerated.

Highlight
6:48
2 min

The Cross as Anti-Pagan Power

There's nothing manly about getting crucified. And it was designed to show the powerlessness of the victim by design.

Highlight
8:31
2 min

The Dangers of Unrestrained Power

The episode warns that both extreme feminism and masculinism corrupt their respective strengths—relational power and physical power—when divorced from love and restraint.

High-Impact Quotes
It's fascinating how it isn't just a recovery of some Christian past. It's a pagan ideas that are being accelerated.
Zach Wagner56:13
It's as close to the gladiatorial games as we get in modern culture.
Phil Vischer73:07
Might makes right. Who has the might? Well, men.
Zach Wagner74:15
Speakers

Hosts

Phil VischerCaitlin Schess

Guest

Zach Wagner
Topics Discussed
pagan masculinity92%christian masculinity90%fruit of the spirit88%masculinism85%anthropological crisis83%ufo fight on white house lawn80%southern baptist convention78%grievance culture76%
People & Brands

Zach Wagner

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45xPositive

Phil Vischer

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38xNeutral

Caitlin Schess

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32xNeutral

Jesus

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28xPositive

Southern Baptist Convention

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12xNegative

Google

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8xNeutral

Trump

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7xNegative

UFC

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6xNegative

Helen Lewis

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6xNeutral

Catholic Sisters

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5xPositive

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