The Cost Of Playing It Safe | Jennie Allen and Al Gordon

The guest, Al Gordon, pastor of Saint in East London, shares how his church experienced a 'quiet revival' after a prophetic vision of 18 months to prepare for God’s outpouring. He describes a spiritual awakening marked by thousands gathering to pray, young people flooding into church with urgent questions about salvation, and a growing hunger for God across secular, post-Christian London. Central to this movement is the belief that revival isn’t just emotional excitement but a sustained, Spirit-led culture of dependence on God’s presence—what he calls the 'drip filter' of the Holy Spirit. The conversation pivots to creativity as divine fuel: Al’s new book, *Spark*, argues that the Holy Spirit ignites creativity to transform culture, and that the lie 'I’m not creative' is a spiritual barrier. He shares a personal story of being stung by bees while starting a church apiary—symbolizing how failure can lead to unexpected fruit. Jennie Allen reflects on her own fear of failure and the courage it takes to launch new dreams, emphasizing that collaboration, vulnerability, and a community that celebrates risk are essential. The episode culminates in a powerful call to action: stop hiding your ideas, step into obedience, and let God spark something new—because the world needs your courage, your dreams, and your creativity, all for the glory of Jesus alone.