S8 Ep975: Tyler Anbinder discusses the significant role of the Irish in the American Civil War, particularly the 69th Regiment. Many joined for military training to eventually liberate Ireland, but they fought enthusiastically for the Union out of gratitude to thei

The John Batchelor Show11mJune 7, 2026
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The Irish Brigade, particularly New York's 69th Regiment, fought with fierce loyalty in the Union Army during the Civil War—not out of allegiance to a nation they had only recently arrived in, but out of deep gratitude for the opportunity and security the U.S. had given them after the Great Famine. Despite facing intense prejudice due to their Catholic faith and perceived racial inferiority, Irish immigrants like James Cavanaugh and Timothy Carr joined militia units for military training with hopes of liberating Ireland, only to be thrust into combat when war erupted. Their valor at pivotal battles like Antietam—where Captain Cavanaugh famously declared they’d hold their position 'until they kill the very last one of us'—helped turn the tide of war. Yet, despite their heroism, many veterans like Cavanaugh were left destitute, returning to humble trades before being quietly recognized decades later with a civil service job. The episode reveals a powerful paradox: the very people who saved the Union were denied recognition and rewards for decades, highlighting the complex legacy of immigrant sacrifice and systemic neglect. The story also exposes the deep-seated anti-Irish sentiment of 19th-century America, from 'no Irish need apply' signs to the deliberate erasure of identity—like the dance teacher who changed his name to Judson Sauce to avoid discrimination.

Key Takeaways
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Irish immigrants joined the 69th Regiment for military training to eventually free Ireland, but fought fiercely for the Union out of gratitude for the opportunity the U.S. provided.

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At the Battle of Antietam, Captain James Cavanaugh declared the 69th would hold their position 'until they kill the very last one of us,' a moment that helped repel Lee’s advance.

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Despite their heroism, Civil War veterans like Cavanaugh received no pensions until the 1890s and returned to lowly trades like carpentry, only later receiving civil service jobs as a token of recognition.

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Anti-Irish prejudice in 19th-century America was rooted in religion (Catholicism) and pseudoscientific racism, leading many to hide their identity—like the dance teacher who changed his name to Judson Sauce.

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The Immigrant Savings Bank preserved detailed records of Irish immigrants, enabling historians to trace their journeys from famine survivors to professionals and soldiers.

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Chapters
0:00
1 min

Introduction to Irish Immigrants in Post-Famine New York

The episode opens with John Batchelor introducing Professor Tyler Anbinder and his book, Plentiful Country, which explores the rise of Irish immigrants in New York after the Great Potato Famine, focusing on their economic ambitions and community-building.

0:48
1 min

The 69th Regiment: From Militia to Civil War

The 69th Regiment, initially a volunteer militia for weekend training, becomes a key unit in the Union Army after the Civil War begins, with Irish immigrants joining not for American ideals but for military experience to return to Ireland.

1:52
1 min

Gratitude Over Ideology: Why the Irish Fought for the Union

Despite being recent arrivals, Irish immigrants felt a deep debt to the U.S. for providing safety and opportunity, leading them to enthusiastically support the Union cause during the Civil War.

3:16
3 min

The Fighting 69th at Antietam: A Defining Moment

We can hold it until they kill the very last one of us.

Highlight
5:57
2 min

Fredericksburg and the Cost of Loyalty

The 69th suffers devastating losses at Fredericksburg in a poorly planned Union assault, with Cavanaugh wounded multiple times but surviving due to treatment by Irish immigrant doctor William O'Meara.

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And Kavanaugh says we can hold it until they kill the very last one of us.
Captain James Cavanaugh5:53
So, right, there's no pension for the Civil War soldiers for several decades.
John Batchelor7:56
He'd been a tailor before that, and he goes back to being a carpenter, and he goes back to that, tries becoming a builder but doesn't succeed at that.
John Batchelor8:39
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John Batchelor

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Tyler Anbinder
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