Lawfare Archive: Election Anxieties and the U.S. Postal Service with Kevin Kosar and Anne Joseph O’Connell
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This archived episode of The Lawfare Podcast from September 1, 2020, examines the political and legal storm surrounding the U.S. Postal Service during the 2020 election cycle, sparked by President Trump’s August 13th comments opposing supplemental funding for the Postal Service, which he claimed would enable universal mail-in voting. The episode features a deep dive by Kevin Kosar and Anne Joseph O’Connell into the factual, structural, and constitutional dimensions of the controversy. They clarify that the Postal Service is self-funding and not in a liquidity crisis, debunking fears of a mail-in voting collapse. Instead, they highlight that operational changes under new Postmaster General Louis DeJoy—such as reducing overtime and altering delivery schedules—caused measurable delays, fueling public anxiety. The discussion unpacks the Postal Service’s unique quasi-governmental structure, the lack of Senate confirmation for the PMG, and the broader issue of unfunded retiree health benefits that strain the agency’s finances. The episode also analyzes state attorneys general lawsuits alleging violations of administrative law and constitutional rights, while assessing the effectiveness of congressional oversight and the role of the Inspector General in ensuring transparency. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the tension between treating the Postal Service as a public utility essential to democracy and managing it as a self-sustaining entity under political pressure.
The U.S. Postal Service is self-funding and has $14 billion in cash and $10 billion in borrowing authority—no emergency funding is needed for mail-in ballots.
Operational changes by Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, such as cutting overtime and altering delivery schedules, caused measurable mail delays, though not due to removal of collection boxes or sorting machines.
The Postal Service’s financial struggles stem from a 33% decline in mail volume since 2008 and $150 billion in unfunded retiree health obligations, not from a lack of funding.
Congressional oversight, including hearings and lawsuits, helped expose the facts but was often politicized, with claims of 'election interference' lacking strong legal footing.
The Inspector General’s independent investigation is critical for transparency and accountability in postal operations, especially given the PMG’s conflicts of interest and lack of Senate confirmation.
Introduction: The Mail-in Voting Crisis and Presidential Comments
Margaret Taylor introduces the episode by contextualizing President Trump’s August 13th comments opposing funding for the U.S. Postal Service, linking it to concerns about mail-in voting and election integrity. The episode is drawn from a 2020 archive to analyze the factual and legal underpinnings of the controversy.
Debunking the Funding Myth and Explaining the Real Delays
“The Postal Service delivers about 2.8 billion mail pieces per week. So even if 150 million people drop ballots in the mail in a single week, which of course won't happen, it's a rounding error to the Postal Service.”
The Structure of the Postal Service and the DeJoy Appointment
“The Board of Governors is seemingly all white males. So the six postal governors were all appointed, all nominated by President Trump and confirmed by the Senate.”
The Political and Partisan Dimensions of the Postal Debate
The hosts and guests explore how Trump’s hostility toward the Postal Service—rooted in early criticisms of it being a 'joke' and an 'errand boy for Amazon'—coincided with partisan differences in mail-in voting preferences, with Biden supporters far more likely to vote by mail.
The Lawsuits and Constitutional Challenges
“The primary allegation in these two lawsuits about the changes that were made by DeJoy are that these changes have nationwide impact. And the Postal Service did not go through these procedures of Section 3661.”
“I am very hopeful about the IG. And so Senator Warren and these other Democratic lawmakers have asked for the IG who is protected from firing. So unlike other IGs... the IG can't be fired by the president.”
“The Postal Service delivers about 2.8 billion mail pieces per week. So even if 150 million people drop ballots in the mail in a single week, which of course won't happen, it's a rounding error to the Postal Service.”
“The primary allegation in these two lawsuits about the changes that were made by DeJoy are that these changes have nationwide impact. And the Postal Service did not go through these procedures of Section 3661.”
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Anne Joseph O'Connell
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