Lawfare Daily: Frank Dikötter on the Early Years of Chinese Communism
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In this episode of Lawfare Daily, Michael Feinberg interviews Professor Frank Dikötter, Milius Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and Chair Professor of Humanities at the University of Hong Kong, about his new book, *Red Dawn Over China*, which reexamines the early years of the Chinese Communist movement. Dikötter challenges the romanticized narrative of Mao Zedong and the CCP established by Edgar Snow’s *Red Star Over China*, arguing that the CCP’s rise was not a popular liberation struggle but a violent, ideologically driven project rooted in terror and purges from its inception. Drawing on newly accessible archival materials from China’s internal publications, Soviet records, and Kuomintang (KMT) intelligence, Dikötter reveals a pattern of calculated violence, including mass purges in Yan'an from 1942 to 1944, and underscores how the CCP’s success was less due to grassroots appeal than to external support—particularly from the Soviet Union under Stalin. He critiques the Western tendency to view Chinese communism as uniquely 'Confucian' or reformist, arguing instead that it is fundamentally a totalitarian ideology with a DNA of violence and monopoly over power. The conversation also explores why Mao remains culturally romanticized in the West despite his role in tens of millions of deaths, and questions whether the CCP’s trajectory was inevitable or if there were missed opportunities for reform. Dikötter concludes that while rare individuals within the party have challenged its authoritarianism, the system’s structure makes genuine internal reform extremely difficult. Key takeaways include: 1) The CCP’s early success was not due to mass appeal but to Soviet backing and strategic violence; 2) The myth of Mao as a benevolent revolutionary is a product of Western misreading and historical whitewashing; 3) Stalin’s role in shaping the CCP’s strategy—especially the United Front against Japan—was decisive; 4) The cult of personality and suppression of dissent are structural features of the regime, not anomalies; 5) Ordinary Chinese citizens, despite fear and terror, repeatedly resisted through quiet acts of defiance; 6) The idea that future leaders will be more humane is a dangerous illusion; 7) The CCP’s ideology was never truly about communism in the Marxist sense, but about power consolidation; 8) The West’s policy of engagement with China, from WWII to WTO accession, was based on a profound misreading of the regime’s nature.
The Chinese Communist Party’s rise was not a popular revolution but a violent, externally supported project rooted in terror and purges from its earliest years.
Edgar Snow’s *Red Star Over China* created a myth of the CCP as a heroic liberation movement, which has shaped Western perceptions for decades.
Stalin and the Soviet Union were pivotal in the CCP’s survival and strategy, including the creation of the United Front against Japan and the abolition of the Comintern.
The cult of personality around Mao and Xi Jinping is not incidental but structural, reflecting the CCP’s need for centralized, unchallenged authority.
Despite the terror, ordinary Chinese citizens repeatedly resisted through quiet acts of defiance, demonstrating remarkable moral courage.
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The Myth of the Red Star and the Reality of Red Dawn
The episode opens with a brief technical interlude before introducing Professor Frank Dikötter and setting the stage for a critical examination of Edgar Snow’s *Red Star Over China*, which romanticized the early CCP as a heroic liberation movement. The host frames the discussion around the historiographical failure to confront the CCP’s inherent violence.
The Violence of the Early CCP: From 1921 to the Long March
“Revolution is not a dinner party. And the other one is, power comes at the barrel of a gun. And that's indeed what it is.”
The Soviet Role: Lenin, Stalin, and the Birth of the CCP
“Without Lenin and Stalin, there would not have been a Mao.”
The Yan'an Purges and the Cult of Mao
“Behind that facade from 1942 to roughly 1943, 1944, extraordinarily violent purges took place in that very same place with some 15,000 if not more people who had to go through the wringer.”
The Western Delusion: Why Mao Gets a Pass
“We would never in a million years have images of any of those individuals among our pocket litter or our everyday carry tools. Why is it that among the general populace... why does Mao get a pass?”
“Without Lenin and Stalin, there would not have been a Mao.”
“Behind that facade from 1942 to roughly 1943, 1944, extraordinarily violent purges took place in that very same place with some 15,000 if not more people who had to go through the wringer.”
“Revolution is not a dinner party. And the other one is, power comes at the barrel of a gun. And that's indeed what it is.”
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