Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, April 24
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This episode of Lawfare Live, titled 'The Trials of the Trump Administration,' delivers a comprehensive and fast-paced analysis of a series of high-profile legal developments across the U.S. justice system, many tied to the Trump administration or its aftermath. The panel, led by Benjamin Wittes and featuring Eric Columbus, Roger Parloff, Anna Bauer, and departing fellow L.T. Edwards, examines a wide array of cases: the controversial indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) for alleged wire fraud and money laundering related to its use of donor funds to pay informants within hate groups; the shifting dynamics of the 'Grand Conspiracy' case involving John Brennan, now under the controversial prosecution of Joe DiGenova; the $1.25 million settlement awarded to Carter Page over FISA abuses; and the Justice Department’s move to vacate convictions in the remaining January 6th seditious conspiracy cases. The discussion also covers the DOJ’s capitulation in the Jerome Powell investigation, the indictment of an Army sergeant for insider betting on national security events, and the D.C. Circuit’s affirmation of a major ruling blocking Trump’s asylum restrictions. Additional topics include a federal judge’s rebuke of the government’s attempt to pressure her into ruling by a deadline, California’s 'No Vigilantes Act' being struck down on supremacy clause grounds, and a district court ruling that the Trump administration violated the First Amendment by coercing Facebook and Apple to remove ICE-tracking apps. The episode concludes with a discussion of Kash Patel’s failed defamation lawsuits and the Second Circuit’s narrow interpretation of material support to terrorist organizations in a lone-wolf attack case.
The SPLC indictment hinges on allegations that donor funds meant for dismantling hate groups were instead used to pay informants within those groups, but legal experts question the strength of the wire fraud and bank fraud charges due to vagueness and lack of clear false statements.
The Brennan 'Grand Conspiracy' case has seen dramatic shifts, including the removal of the original prosecutor, the withdrawal of grand jury subpoenas, and the appointment of Joe DiGenova—an outspoken critic of Brennan—raising serious concerns about impartiality and due process.
Carter Page’s $1.25 million settlement marks a significant victory in his long legal battle over FISA abuses, despite losing at both the district and appellate levels, highlighting the strategic value of settlements even after adverse rulings.
The D.C. Circuit’s 2-1 decision in Rises v. Mullen affirms that the Trump administration cannot unilaterally eliminate asylum protections through executive proclamation, marking a major win for civil rights and immigration law.
The government’s attempt to pressure a federal judge into ruling by a deadline was rebuked, with the judge asserting her authority and the government interpreting her silence as a denial—raising concerns about judicial independence and procedural ethics.
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Opening Remarks and Agenda Overview
Benjamin Wittes opens the episode with a brief introduction, setting a fast-paced tone and outlining the packed agenda. He emphasizes the need for concise responses to cover all topics, including the indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Brennan conspiracy case, and the Carter Page settlement.
The SPLC Indictment: Fraud or Misguided Strategy?
“I don't see any inherent conflict. And I'm not defending these at CLC. SPLC, sorry. There are legitimate controversies about it, but it seems to me the conduct is arguably simply a tactical decision in support of the mission as articulated to donors and they don't seem especially at odds to me.”
The Grand Conspiracy Case: Chaos and Controversy
“It all is unclear exactly what this mess means, Ben. But it does seem like now that Mr. DeGeneva is in position as the prosecutor, things might move much more quickly than we previously expected.”
Carter Page’s $1.25 Million Settlement
“1.25 is pretty good under any circumstances and when you've lost at both levels below, I think it's very good. So I think he was wise to take the offer.”
The January 6th Convictions and the D.C. Circuit
The panel discusses the DOJ’s motion to vacate the remaining January 6th seditious conspiracy convictions. Jamie Raskin argues for an adversarial process with an amicus curiae, citing precedents like United States v. Flynn and Young v. United States, emphasizing the public interest in a thorough review.
“I'm the judge here. I'll rule when I'm good and ready to rule.”
“The dissent says, of course, that's under the direction of ISIS. Just take a step back now. Why does this matter? It matters in part because now if we have a lone wolf... it's not questionable if there's Second Circuit precedent sticks that says these attacks can't be charged as 2339B.”
“I think it's wrought with national security concerns, especially if we can't get a clamp on people using their inside information to bet in this area.”
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Benjamin Wittes
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Southern Poverty Law Center
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Eric Columbus
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Roger Parloff
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John Brennan
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Anna Bauer
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L.T. Edwards
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Carter Page
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Kash Patel
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Second Circuit
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