Claudia Sahm: Thinking Through Scenarios in a Whiplash Economy

The Long View59mApril 28, 2026

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In this episode of The Long View, host Amy Arnott interviews Claudia Somm, Chief Economist at New Century Advisors and creator of the SOM Rule, about the current 'whiplash economy' marked by a relentless series of supply shocks—from pandemic disruptions and tariffs to the war in the Middle East and AI-driven productivity shifts. Somm emphasizes that these shocks are not only frequent and severe but also fundamentally rewiring economic fundamentals, making traditional recession indicators less reliable. She explains how declining immigration and an aging population have flattened labor market dynamics, rendering monthly payroll fluctuations less indicative of economic distress. The discussion also delves into the Fed’s challenge in navigating inflation expectations amid consumer pain at the pump, while maintaining a patient stance due to stable long-term inflation expectations. Somm raises urgent concerns about underfunded statistical agencies, warning that declining survey quality and staff cuts are eroding the reliability of key economic data like CPI and employment figures. She advocates for increased investment in public statistics and greater diversity in economic thought, reflecting on her 2020 blog post 'Economics is a Disgrace' to highlight the field’s exclusionary culture. Finally, she urges listeners to actively seek out opposing viewpoints to improve scenario planning and decision-making in an increasingly complex world.

Key Takeaways
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The U.S. economy is experiencing a 'whiplash' environment due to a string of persistent supply shocks that are redefining economic fundamentals.

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Declining immigration and an aging population have made labor market data less predictive, with monthly payroll swings now normal rather than signals of recession.

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Despite high inflation and gas prices, long-term inflation expectations remain anchored, supporting a Fed policy of patience over rate hikes.

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Statistical agencies are underfunded and understaffed, threatening the quality and reliability of critical economic data like CPI and employment surveys.

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Diverse perspectives and active exposure to opposing viewpoints are essential for robust scenario analysis and better decision-making.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction to Claudia Somm and Her Economic Journey

Amy Arnott and Ben Johnson introduce Claudia Somm, Chief Economist at New Century Advisors and founder of Somm Consulting, highlighting her extensive background at the Federal Reserve, the Council of Economic Advisers, and her academic training at the University of Michigan.

2:15
5 min

The Birth-by-Fire Experience at the Fed During the Global Financial Crisis

Don't just go with the historical patterns, you got to like dig into the data and understand that things can really shift in the economy, particularly if you get hit with a big enough shock.

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7:30
8 min

The Mission of Economic Communication: Demystifying the Fed

Somm discusses her passion for public communication, explaining her blogs and Substacks as efforts to demystify the Fed, improve public understanding, and promote accountability through clearer, more accessible economic storytelling.

15:00
19 min

The Whiplash Economy: Navigating a Series of Supply Shocks

We've had this whole series of supply shocks... they can both push up prices, push up inflation and push down on growth. And they can often do both at the same time.

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34:00
16 min

The Fed’s Risk Management Approach and the Role of Inflation Expectations

It's about managing around and staying away from the worst case scenarios, like kind of being ready to pivot as soon as you have enough information.

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High-Impact Quotes
We've had this whole series of supply shocks... they can both push up prices, push up inflation and push down on growth. And they can often do both at the same time.
Claudia Somm11:41
Viral: 90.0
We're just getting data that are noisier... it's getting harder to pull the signal out of the noise because when you make the survey smaller, you cut back, you cut corners.
Claudia Somm48:44
Viral: 88.0
Don't just go with the historical patterns, you got to like dig into the data and understand that things can really shift in the economy, particularly if you get hit with a big enough shock.
Claudia Somm3:59
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Amy ArnottBen Johnson

Guest

Claudia Somm
Topics Discussed
whiplash economy95%economic data quality92%supply shocks90%Fed policy and risk management88%inflation expectations85%labor market fundamentals80%scenario analysis80%economic culture and diversity75%
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