Ep. 855: Clay's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt | 12 in '26
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In this episode of the 12 and 26 podcast, Clay Morehead recounts his immersive mountain lion hunt in Utah with legendary lion hunters McClain and Hunter Mecham, accompanied by filmmaker Josh Landbridge. The episode dives deep into the art and ethics of dry ground lion hunting—where dogs track lions across arid, rugged terrain without snow—highlighting the extraordinary stamina, selective breeding, and instinct of the hounds, as well as the physical demands on riders navigating steep, remote canyons on mules equipped with ice cleats. Clay reflects on the rare privilege of observing mountain lions up close, the decision to pass on a young male lion despite its size, and the complex conservation debate surrounding Utah’s year-round, unregulated lion hunting season. He explores the ecological role of lions in managing mule deer populations, challenges the notion that lions are the primary threat to deer, and emphasizes the importance of predator management as part of a balanced ecosystem. The conversation also touches on the cultural significance of hunting, the stewardship of public lands, and the broader philosophical question of whether wild landscapes should include apex predators. The episode closes with a powerful reflection on the responsibility of modern hunters to preserve both wildlife and the traditions of American outdoor culture.
Dry ground lion hunting requires elite dogs with supernatural noses, extreme stamina, and selective breeding—considered the 'Michael Jordan' of hound hunting.
Mountain lion hunting in Utah is now year-round and unregulated, with no tags or quotas, raising concerns about sustainability despite the state's claim of conservation.
Lions primarily target male mule deer, which is less ecologically damaging than killing does, whose reproductive potential is critical to population health.
Passing on a lion, even a large one, is a common ethical choice among experienced hunters to preserve the gene pool and maintain sustainable populations.
The real threats to mule deer are habitat loss, drought, roads, and human activity—not mountain lions—making lion hunting a politically convenient but ecologically questionable solution.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Power of Public Lands & the 12 and 26 Film Series
Clay introduces the 12 and 26 film series—a year-long project producing 12 full-length feature films—and promotes a campaign to protect 4,000 acres of land in North Carolina by matching donations up to $200,000 through MeatEater and OnX.
The Art of Dry Ground Lion Hunting
“In the hound world, the dry ground lion dogs are the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James of the hound world.”
The Physical and Emotional Challenge of the Hunt
“I was just like, what is going on? Like, this is not even that bad. It was bad.”
Behind the Scenes: Dogs, Mules, and the Science of Tracking
The episode explores the mechanics of free-casting hounds, the use of britchons on mules, and the importance of GPS collars. Clay highlights how dogs force hunters into remote, untouched terrain and how topographic memory guides experienced hunters.
The Ethical Decision: Passing on a Lion
“I would do it just the same. But would I have liked to have taken that cat? Yeah.”
“In the absence of wolves, he said, the way to save elk is to reduce the amount of lead in the air.”
“I want to be responsible. I want to be knowledgeable. I want to be ethical. I want to steward this opportunity that we have in modern times...”
“In the hound world, the dry ground lion dogs are the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James of the hound world.”
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Clay Morehead
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McClain Mecham
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Josh Landbridge
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Ty Evans
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