Ep. 855: Clay's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt | 12 in '26

The MeatEater Podcast1h 10mMarch 31, 2026

Get the full intelligence

Search transcripts, export clips, track mentions, and explore all topics from “Ep. 855: Clay's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt | 12 in '26” inside PodZeus.

AI-Generated Summary

In this episode of the 12 and 26 podcast, Clay Morehead recounts his immersive mountain lion hunt in Utah with legendary lion hunters McClain and Hunter Mecham, accompanied by filmmaker Josh Landbridge. The episode dives deep into the art and ethics of dry ground lion hunting—where dogs track lions across arid, rugged terrain without snow—highlighting the extraordinary stamina, selective breeding, and instinct of the hounds, as well as the physical demands on riders navigating steep, remote canyons on mules equipped with ice cleats. Clay reflects on the rare privilege of observing mountain lions up close, the decision to pass on a young male lion despite its size, and the complex conservation debate surrounding Utah’s year-round, unregulated lion hunting season. He explores the ecological role of lions in managing mule deer populations, challenges the notion that lions are the primary threat to deer, and emphasizes the importance of predator management as part of a balanced ecosystem. The conversation also touches on the cultural significance of hunting, the stewardship of public lands, and the broader philosophical question of whether wild landscapes should include apex predators. The episode closes with a powerful reflection on the responsibility of modern hunters to preserve both wildlife and the traditions of American outdoor culture.

Key Takeaways
1

Dry ground lion hunting requires elite dogs with supernatural noses, extreme stamina, and selective breeding—considered the 'Michael Jordan' of hound hunting.

2

Mountain lion hunting in Utah is now year-round and unregulated, with no tags or quotas, raising concerns about sustainability despite the state's claim of conservation.

3

Lions primarily target male mule deer, which is less ecologically damaging than killing does, whose reproductive potential is critical to population health.

4

Passing on a lion, even a large one, is a common ethical choice among experienced hunters to preserve the gene pool and maintain sustainable populations.

5

The real threats to mule deer are habitat loss, drought, roads, and human activity—not mountain lions—making lion hunting a politically convenient but ecologically questionable solution.

…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus

Chapters
0:00
8 min

The Power of Public Lands & the 12 and 26 Film Series

Clay introduces the 12 and 26 film series—a year-long project producing 12 full-length feature films—and promotes a campaign to protect 4,000 acres of land in North Carolina by matching donations up to $200,000 through MeatEater and OnX.

7:30
10 min

The Art of Dry Ground Lion Hunting

In the hound world, the dry ground lion dogs are the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James of the hound world.

Highlight
17:30
13 min

The Physical and Emotional Challenge of the Hunt

I was just like, what is going on? Like, this is not even that bad. It was bad.

Highlight
30:00
15 min

Behind the Scenes: Dogs, Mules, and the Science of Tracking

The episode explores the mechanics of free-casting hounds, the use of britchons on mules, and the importance of GPS collars. Clay highlights how dogs force hunters into remote, untouched terrain and how topographic memory guides experienced hunters.

45:00
18 min

The Ethical Decision: Passing on a Lion

I would do it just the same. But would I have liked to have taken that cat? Yeah.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
In the absence of wolves, he said, the way to save elk is to reduce the amount of lead in the air.
Mike Boden Chuck (quoted by Clay)54:04
Viral: 90.0
I want to be responsible. I want to be knowledgeable. I want to be ethical. I want to steward this opportunity that we have in modern times...
Clay Morehead72:05
Viral: 88.0
In the hound world, the dry ground lion dogs are the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James of the hound world.
Clay Morehead8:29
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Clay MoreheadJosh Landbridge

Guests

McClain MechamHunter MechamTy EvansDustin ClarkMike Boden Chuck
Topics Discussed
Dry Ground Lion Hunting95%Mountain Lion Conservation90%Hound Dog Breeding and Training88%Predator Management in Utah87%Ethical Hunting Practices85%Mule Deer Population Dynamics82%Public Land Stewardship80%Hunting with Mules78%
People & Brands

Mountain Lion

other

150xNeutral

Clay Morehead

person

120xPositive

Utah

place

80xMixed

McClain Mecham

person

60xPositive

Mule Deer

other

60xNeutral

Hunter Mecham

person

55xPositive

Josh Landbridge

person

45xPositive

Elk

other

40xNeutral

Ty Evans

person

30xPositive

12 and 26 Film Series

media

30xPositive

Get the full intelligence

Search transcripts, export clips, track mentions, and explore all topics from “Ep. 855: Clay's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt | 12 in '26” inside PodZeus.

Start discovering podcast insights today

Start with a 7-day trial and explore a growing catalog of popular podcasts. No credit card required.

No credit card required • 7-day trial • Cancel anytime