Trump FIRES Bondi, CIA's "MK Ultra" History, and "Two Weeks" Talking Point, with John Kiriakou, Sean Davis, and Sohrab Ahmari | Ep. 1287

The Megyn Kelly Show1h 40mApril 2, 2026

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The Megyn Kelly Show delves into the political upheaval surrounding President Donald Trump's potential firings of Attorney General Pam Bondi and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, analyzing Bondi's controversial handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files and alleged leaks to Eric Swalwell as key reasons for her removal. Sean Davis and Sohrab Ahmari emphasize that while Bondi remained loyal, her incompetence and poor judgment eroded trust, especially among Trump’s base, signaling a strategic pivot toward competence over loyalty. Gabbard’s reluctance to defend Trump’s Iran policy and her perceived defense of Joe Kent have reportedly angered the president, suggesting a broader purge of dissenters within the administration. The episode then shifts to a powerful interview with former CIA officer John Kiriakou, who exposes the agency’s dark history, including the MKUltra mind control program, waterboarding, and extensive surveillance operations. Kiriakou reveals deep-seated concerns about Israeli espionage within U.S. intelligence, citing bugged gifts, Mossad recruitment attempts, and the pervasive influence of AIPAC in silencing congressional opposition to Israel’s policies. He reflects on his own moral ambiguity—self-identifying as having 'sociopathic tendencies' for national security purposes—and shares his paranoia about constant surveillance, leading him to avoid smart devices and live with the assumption his home is bugged. The discussion extends to the global porn industry’s alleged ties to Israeli intelligence, raising alarms about blackmail and digital exploitation. Despite the grim revelations, the hosts maintain a tone of cautious hope, stressing the importance of truth-telling, personal integrity, and robust oversight in an age of unprecedented surveillance and institutional opacity.

Key Takeaways
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Pam Bondi’s firing reflects a strategic shift toward competence over loyalty, driven by her mishandling of the Epstein files and political missteps.

2

Trump’s potential dismissal of Tulsi Gabbard signals a crackdown on dissent, particularly regarding the Iran conflict and foreign policy alignment.

3

The Iran war appears driven more by Israeli intelligence influence and hawkish lobbying than by clear U.S. strategic interests, raising ethical and legal concerns.

4

The CIA’s history of unethical programs like MKUltra and surveillance operations underscores the need for transparency and congressional oversight.

5

Israeli intelligence has a documented history of espionage against U.S. institutions, including bugging CIA meetings and deploying operatives across America.

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Chapters
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20 min

Trump's Firing of Pam Bondi and the Epstein Fallout

She wanted to be the face, you're going to be the one who takes the fall and it looks like she's finally taken the fall.

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20:00
20 min

Tulsi Gabbard and the Iran War Dilemma

The Iranians weren't the threat to us. Yeah. I mean, it seemed clear because the administration admitted it early on and then when they realized that the public had a strong reaction to that, started changing that story.

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40:00
40 min

John Kiriakou: The CIA's Dark History and MKUltra

We murdered Anwar Aulaki, who was a bad guy but had never been charged with a crime. He had never faced his accusers in a court of law. We just decided we didn't like his politics. And so we blew him up.

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1:20:00
10 min

The Iran War: A War Crime in the Making?

Kiriakou delivers a scathing critique of the U.S. war in Iran, calling Trump’s threats to attack Iran’s electrical grid a war crime. He argues that the conflict is based on Israeli intelligence, not U.S. strategic interests, and that the administration’s narrative is increasingly disconnected from reality. The episode ends with a warning about the dangers of unchecked executive power and the erosion of democratic norms.

1:24:34
2 min

Pam Bondi's Exit and the DOJ's Toxic Environment

I guarantee she's going to be happier. So we'll see what happens with Todd Blanch.

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High-Impact Quotes
We murdered Anwar Aulaki, who was a bad guy but had never been charged with a crime. He had never faced his accusers in a court of law. We just decided we didn't like his politics. And so we blew him up.
John Kiriakou64:40
Viral: 95.0
If you are not 100% pro-Israel in your voting record, they will primary you and they will spend millions of dollars to defeat you.
Sean Davis91:07
Viral: 90.0
The Iranians weren't the threat to us. Yeah. I mean, it seemed clear because the administration admitted it early on and then when they realized that the public had a strong reaction to that, started changing that story.
John Kiriakou47:14
Viral: 90.0
Speakers

Host

Megyn Kelly

Guests

John KiriakouSean DavisSohrab Ahmari
Topics Discussed
Israeli Espionage in U.S. Intelligence90%CIA Ethics and Surveillance90%covert surveillance operations90%Iran War and Foreign Policy88%AIPAC's Influence on U.S. Politics88%Pam Bondi's Departure85%privacy in the digital age85%Trump Administration Instability85%intelligence agency ethics80%
People & Brands

John Kiriakou

person

52xPositive

CIA

organization

34xNegative

Pam Bondi

person

24xNegative

Jeffrey Epstein

person

15xNegative

Donald Trump

person

12xMixed

MKUltra

other

12xNegative

Tulsi Gabbard

person

10xMixed

Joe Kent

person

8xNeutral

Mossad

organization

7xNegative

AIPAC

organization

5xNegative

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