Saturday Bonus Podcast - Czar Talks With Theology Professor & Author Dr Joe Rigney On The Sin Of Empathy

The Michael Berry Show24mApril 18, 2026

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In this thought-provoking Saturday Bonus episode of The Michael Berry Show, host Michael Berry engages theologian and author Dr. Joe Rigney on the controversial concept of 'The Sin of Empathy.' Rigney argues that while compassion is a biblical virtue, when detached from truth, justice, and moral boundaries, empathy becomes a dangerous, destructive force—what he calls 'untethered empathy.' Drawing on C.S. Lewis’s warning that love becomes a demon when it replaces God, Rigney illustrates how excessive empathy can lead to moral myopia, enabling harmful policies and behaviors—from lenient criminal justice and unchecked immigration to the radicalization of gender ideology and the dehumanization of the unborn. He traces the cultural shift to a broader failure of nerve in leadership, where passivity, finger-pointing, and emotional manipulation replace moral courage. The episode warns that empathy without truth leads not to healing, but to cruelty, especially toward the innocent. Rigney calls for emotions to be anchored in Christ and governed by reason and truth, urging individuals and institutions to reclaim moral clarity in parenting, leadership, and public life.

Key Takeaways
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Empathy becomes destructive when it's untethered from truth, justice, and moral boundaries.

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C.S. Lewis’s insight: when love becomes a god, it becomes a demon—emotions must be submitted to God.

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Untethered empathy enables moral myopia, where only certain victims are seen, while others are ignored.

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Pity and compassion, if not guided by wisdom, can lead to cruelty—especially when used to justify harmful policies.

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Leadership requires courage, not emotional appeasement; abdication leads to idolatry and blame-shifting.

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1 min

Introducing Dr. Joe Rigney and His Provocative Book

Michael Berry introduces Dr. Joe Rigney, theology fellow at New St. Andrews College and pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, highlighting his new book 'The Sin of Empathy' as a compelling topic for discussion.

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4 min

Empathy vs. Compassion: The Dangers of Untethered Emotion

If you see someone drowning in quicksand, apathy would be to walk away. The proper response is to reach in with one hand and hold on to them and then hold on to the shore. But what empathy demands is, you need to jump in here with me and now you have two people drowning.

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5 min

The Cultural Consequences of Untethered Empathy

Under an empathetic mindset, the greatest victim sets the agenda for the entire community and everybody is expected to reorganize all of society around them.

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5 min

Empathy and the Dehumanization of the Unborn

Compassion for her means indifference and even cruelty to her unborn child because our empathy becomes myopic.

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5 min

The Paradox of Mercy: When Compassion Becomes Cruelty

Mercy detached from justice grows unmerciful. It's a paradox because... when you transplant it to the marshlands of humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed.

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High-Impact Quotes
Mercy detached from justice grows unmerciful. It's a paradox because... when you transplant it to the marshlands of humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed.
Dr. Joe Rigney10:28
Viral: 95.0
When mercy is detached from justice, it becomes a man-eating weed and it's all the more dangerous because it's still called by the name of the mountain variety.
Dr. Joe Rigney10:31
Viral: 92.0
If you see someone drowning in quicksand, apathy would be to walk away. The proper response is to reach in with one hand and hold on to them and then hold on to the shore. But what empathy demands is, you need to jump in here with me and now you have two people drowning.
Dr. Joe Rigney5:35
Viral: 90.0
Speakers

Host

Michael Berry

Guest

Dr. Joe Rigney
Topics Discussed
Empathy and Moral Boundaries95%Compassion Without Justice90%C.S. Lewis on Love and Emotion88%The Dangers of Emotional Leadership85%Wokeness and Victimhood Culture80%Parenting and Setting Boundaries75%Gender Ideology and Medical Transition75%Abortion and the Unborn70%
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