Stop Hiring SDRs and Start Building Real Partner Ecosystems Instead with Keith Bossier | Ep. #314

The Modern Selling Podcast48mApril 16, 2026

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In this episode of The Modern Selling Podcast, host Mario Martinez sits down with Keith Bossier, Vice President of Sales at S-Docs, to discuss transformative strategies for modern sales organizations. Bossier shares his journey from a personal health challenge to leading sales at a document automation and e-signature company, emphasizing the importance of empathy, alignment, and outcome-based pricing. He advocates for replacing traditional SDRs with direct marketing-to-sales handoffs, aligning sales and customer success teams into 'pods' for shared revenue accountability, and building partner ecosystems through certified integrators and technology embeds. The conversation highlights how shifting from seat-based to consumption-based pricing—driven by customer outcomes—has led to over 200% growth in contract values. Bossier also stresses the need for cross-functional collaboration, using real-world examples from his career, including a pivotal early loss that taught him the power of listening over pitching. He concludes with advice on building resilience in sales teams by reframing rejection as a learning opportunity and celebrating progress, not just wins.

Key Takeaways
1

Replace SDRs with direct marketing-to-sales handoffs to improve conversion and buyer experience.

2

Align sales and customer success teams into shared 'pods' with common accounts and revenue goals.

3

Shift from seat-based to consumption-based pricing tied to customer outcomes like document volume and signatures.

4

Build partner ecosystems by certifying integrators and embedding your product into complementary platforms.

5

Use empathy and deep listening to uncover real customer pain—sales is about connection, not just product features.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Sponsor: WISE – Smart Global Money Transfers

Wise is introduced as a sponsor, highlighting its ability to send, spend, and receive money in over 40 currencies with no hidden fees and mid-market exchange rates. Transfers are fast, often under 20 seconds.

2:20
3 min

Introducing Keith Bossier and S-Docs

Mario introduces Keith Bossier, VP of Sales at S-Docs, a document automation and e-signature platform. Keith shares his background in SaaS, fintech, and legal tech, and explains how S-Docs helps companies automate contracts and execute e-signatures.

5:00
5 min

Personal Story: Overcoming Heart Surgery

I've been doing good for about the last 15 years. I compete in triathlons. I'm a very active athletic individual. In fact, I've won triathlons and half marathons.

Highlight
9:50
7 min

Pricing Strategies Aligned to Customer Outcomes

We've actually grown contract values by greater than 200%, in some cases over 1,000% for existing customers.

Highlight
17:10
10 min

Fixing Misalignment Between Sales, Marketing, and CS

We actually removed the SDR and BDR function from our company so that Marketing and Sales didn't have an intermediary sitting between them.

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High-Impact Quotes
We've actually grown contract values by greater than 200%, in some cases over 1,000% for existing customers.
Keith Bossier10:25
Viral: 90.0
Sales isn't always about persuasion... It's really about connection. It's being able to listen to a customer, understand what that is, and then tangibly bring that back to them.
Keith Bossier40:39
Viral: 88.0
I've been doing good for about the last 15 years. I compete in triathlons. I'm a very active athletic individual. In fact, I've won triathlons and half marathons.
Keith Bossier5:35
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Mario Martinez

Guest

Keith Bossier
Topics Discussed
outcome-based pricing95%sales and customer success alignment90%partner-led growth88%removing SDRs85%empathy in sales82%revenue operations78%customer success as revenue driver75%resilience in sales70%
People & Brands

S-Docs

organization

15xPositive

Keith Bossier

person

12xPositive

Mario Martinez

person

8xPositive

WISE

organization

3xPositive

Salesforce

organization

3xPositive

Interstellar

media

2xPositive

Hunter Douglas

organization

2xNeutral

FlyMessage

organization

2xPositive

Christopher Nolan

person

2xPositive

Lehman Brothers

organization

1xNegative

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