Valeria Luiselli Reads Julio Cortázar
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In this episode of The New Yorker Fiction Podcast, acclaimed writer Valeria Luiselli reads and discusses Julio Cortázar's seminal short story 'The Night Face Up,' originally published in 1967 and translated by Paul Blackburn. Luiselli reflects on Cortázar's profound influence on her generation of Latin American writers, describing him as a foundational figure whose sensibility—marked by wonder, sensory detail, and a playful yet serious approach to storytelling—shaped her own literary consciousness. She recounts reading the story as a teenager in a boarding school in India, where it became a touchstone for her love of literature. The episode delves into the story’s intricate narrative structure, which blurs the boundaries between modern reality and a dreamlike, ritualistic past centered on the Aztec Flower Wars. Through a close reading, Luiselli and host Deborah Treisman explore how Cortázar uses sensory immersion, temporal dislocation, and narrative tension to create a state of 'perplexity'—a condition that challenges readers to question the nature of reality. They examine the story’s dual timelines, the contrast between the modern man’s passivity and the 15th-century warrior’s acute awareness, and the deeper commentary on exile, modernity, and the loss of presence in contemporary life. The discussion also touches on the translation by Blackburn, with Luiselli offering nuanced critiques of certain interpretive choices that alter the original’s philosophical depth, particularly around the concept of time and the story’s epigraph. Ultimately, the episode presents 'The Night Face Up' not as a simple dream narrative, but as a meditation on the fragility of reality, the persistence of myth, and the writer’s responsibility to awaken wonder in the mundane.
Cortázar’s work teaches writers to see the world with a sense of wonder and perceptual freshness, transforming everyday objects into sources of deep meaning.
The story’s power lies in its use of sensory detail and narrative tension to create a state of 'perplexity'—a condition that opens consciousness to the absurd and the fantastic.
The modern world in the story is portrayed as chaotic and dreamlike, while the ancient world is vivid, structured, and deeply present, suggesting a critique of modern alienation.
Time in the story operates not linearly but mythically—ritual time that exists outside history, allowing for a profound connection between past and present.
Translation choices, such as the insertion of explanatory clauses and the misrendering of 'meter' as 'mile,' can subtly distort the original’s philosophical and temporal depth.
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
Deborah Treisman introduces the episode, welcoming Valeria Luiselli as the featured reader and discussing the selection of Julio Cortázar's 'The Night Face Up.' Luiselli shares her deep personal connection to Cortázar's work and her motivation for choosing this story.
Cortázar's Influence and Literary Legacy
“He was a writer I read first with a kind of elation, and I started reading him when I was 15 or so, and it really shaped the way I saw the world, not only the way I read.”
The Story’s Opening and Narrative Immersion
The discussion focuses on the story’s immediate, sensory-rich opening, which plunges the reader into the protagonist’s consciousness without exposition. The hosts explore how Cortázar uses limited perspective and sensory detail to anchor the reader in a disorienting reality.
The Dream and the Ritual: Two Realities
“The time of the 15th century is a kind of eternal time marked by the fact that it belongs to ritual time. The Florid Wars... were ritual. So they belong to mythic time and ritual time, which in many ways is not really historical time.”
Sensory Anchors and Narrative Tension
The episode explores how Cortázar uses tactile, olfactory, and auditory details to ground the reader in both realities. The hosts highlight how these sensory anchors allow for seamless transitions between worlds and sustain narrative tension.
“I distrust the Baroque. The Baroque writers very often let themselves go too easily in their writing. They write in five pages what one could very well write in one.”
“The story’s power lies not in answering whether one timeline is real, but in cultivating a state of 'perplexity'—a condition of wonder and doubt that renews perception of the everyday.”
“The time of the 15th century is a kind of eternal time marked by the fact that it belongs to ritual time. The Florid Wars... were ritual. So they belong to mythic time and ritual time, which in many ways is not really historical time.”
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The Night Face Up
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Valeria Luiselli
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Flower Wars
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Deborah Treisman
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Paul Blackburn
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Aztec Empire
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The New Yorker Fiction Podcast
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