#166 - Freddie New - How Governments Destroy Money and Empires (The Lessons From Rome)
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In this episode of The Peter McCormack Show, Freddie New draws powerful parallels between the fall of the Roman Empire and the current state of Western democracies, particularly focusing on currency debasement as a central driver of societal collapse. He traces the decline of Rome's silver denarius from Marcus Aurelius to Diocletian, showing how inflation eroded purchasing power to just 3% of its original value—a trajectory eerily mirrored by the pound sterling's 95-96% loss in value over the past century. The discussion explores how emperors, like modern governments, became trapped in a cycle of printing money to pay the military, leading to hyperinflation, social decay, and institutional failure. Freddie argues that today’s 'army' is not soldiers but welfare-dependent populations and state workers who vote for parties that sustain their benefits, creating a self-perpetuating system of soft defaults and moral hazard. He critiques the current economic model as one of 'grift,' where rules are exploited for personal gain, and warns that the collapse won't be dramatic but insidious—manifesting as shrinking homes, longer work hours, declining relationships, and a hollowed-out sense of purpose, as described in T.S. Eliot’s 'The Hollow Men.' Despite the bleak outlook, Freddie holds hope in the possibility of a Cincinnatus-like leader—someone who can restore hard money, rebuild infrastructure, and lead a national renaissance, with Bitcoin and the Lightning Network emerging as tools for individual sovereignty in a digital age.
Currency debasement is the primary driver of empire collapse, with Rome’s denarius losing 97% of its value over 150 years—mirroring the pound’s 95% decline in the 20th century.
Governments are trapped in a cycle of inflation: they must print money to pay essential groups (army/state workers), which fuels more inflation, creating a self-reinforcing collapse.
The modern 'military' is the dependent population—welfare recipients and public sector workers—who vote for parties that sustain their benefits, ensuring the system continues.
Collapse won’t be sudden; it will be gradual and insidious, as described in T.S. Eliot’s 'The Hollow Men': shrinking homes, longer hours, lower standards, and emotional detachment.
Hard money solutions like Bitcoin and the Lightning Network offer a path to individual sovereignty and long-term wealth preservation in a world of fiat debasement.
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The Collapse of Currency: Rome and the Pound
“The denarius started to lose purchasing power around about the time of Marcus Aurelius. Then over the next 150 years that had a comparable decline in value. Its purchasing power by the time of Diocletian was 3% of what it had been in the time of Marcus Aurelius.”
The Military Trap: Why Governments Can’t Stop Printing
“If you don't pay the army, you're out. And the army are also aware that the silver content of their coins is getting debased, so they want more and more money. Their salary has to keep increasing.”
The Insidious Collapse: From Roads to Relationships
“Every day you'll find yourself lowering your standards for everything, work, food, relationships. Job security will no longer exist as a concept. You'll notice houses and apartments shrinking.”
The Modern 'Army': Welfare Dependents and State Workers
The real power base of modern governments isn’t the military, but the dependent population—welfare recipients and public sector employees—who vote for parties that sustain their benefits, creating a self-perpetuating system of soft default.
The Rise of 'Grift' and the Death of Value Creation
Freddie argues that modern society has lost the link between money and real value. Easy money creation has led to capital destruction, where people exploit systems (like employment law) to extract value without creating it.
“Every day you'll find yourself lowering your standards for everything, work, food, relationships. Job security will no longer exist as a concept. You'll notice houses and apartments shrinking.”
“The solidus retained its purchasing power for 700 years. Wow. That's extraordinary. And we are in a time where we actually do have a form of money that could retain its purchasing power infinitely...”
“The collapse won't be like the movie Dawn of the Dead. It's far more insidious than that. You'll just notice that everyday simple things will become a little bit more expensive.”
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