Has Trump Betrayed His Base?| Interview: Ross Douthat
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In this episode of The Remnant, Jonah Goldberg interviews Ross Douthat on the controversial U.S.-led military campaign against Iran, examining whether President Trump has betrayed his base by escalating the conflict. Douthat argues that the war, framed as a decapitation strategy targeting Iran's leadership, has raised the stakes to an existential level for the regime, enabling more credible escalatory threats like closing the Strait of Hormuz. While acknowledging military successes, Douthat contends that the lack of regime change and the absence of a clear plan to reopen the strait undermine the strategic success of the campaign. He challenges the narrative of betrayal from figures like Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon, asserting that Trump’s actions are consistent with his Jacksonian, anti-establishment style—aggressive, impulsive, and focused on demonstrating strength. Douthat further critiques the hypocrisy of critics who supported Trump’s more provocative foreign policy moves (like threatening to annex Greenland) but now condemn his actions in Iran, calling it a selective application of restraint. The episode also explores the role of Israel in pushing for war, the risk of rising anti-Semitism, and the broader implications for the future of conservatism, with Douthat arguing that Trumpism lacks a coherent ideology and is better understood as a psychological and sociological phenomenon than a political doctrine. The conversation ends on a note of uncertainty, with both hosts acknowledging that the war’s outcome will define the legacy of Trump’s second term and the future of the Republican Party.
Trump’s Iran campaign is a high-stakes decapitation strategy that has raised existential threats from Iran, making escalation more plausible.
The claim that Trump betrayed his base is inconsistent with his Jacksonian, aggressive foreign policy style and the support he enjoys among MAGA Republicans.
Critics who oppose the Iran war while supporting other Trump provocations (like annexing Greenland) are applying inconsistent standards.
Trumpism is not an ideology but a psychological and sociological phenomenon rooted in personal loyalty and anti-establishment energy.
The war’s outcome will determine whether Trump’s actions are seen as bold leadership or reckless overreach, shaping the future of GOP politics.
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Introduction and Iran War Context
Jonah Goldberg introduces Ross Douthat, setting the stage for a discussion on the U.S.-Iran conflict, with Douthat providing a detailed analysis of the war's strategic objectives and risks.
The Decapitation Strategy and Escalation Risks
“If we weren't trying to decapitate them and they said, we're going to blow up all the energy infrastructure in the Gulf, we would say, no, you're not because that could bring down your own regime. But we are trying to bring down their regime, right? And I think the same, there's sort of two levels.”
The Myth of 'Regime Change' and Language Abuse
“To say we have regime change in Venezuela, it's a little bit different because it was more of just like a gangster click. Yeah, it's a thugocracy already. Right. So it's like we changed thugs and now they're pro that now they deal with America.”
Public Support vs. Media Criticism
“The loudest voices on the sort of, you know, from Tucker Carlson and right word, they see this as a betrayal. And yet You look at the polling and the people who describe themselves as MAGA Republicans... are the only people on board.”
Trumpism as a Psychological Phenomenon
“Trumpism is not an ideology. It's a psychological and sociological phenomenon. And the idea of trying to impose a single coherent worldview on what Trump is going to do or what Trumpism means, I just think is a fool's errand.”
“Trumpism is not an ideology. It's a psychological and sociological phenomenon. And the idea of trying to impose a single coherent worldview on what Trump is going to do or what Trumpism means, I just think is a fool's errand.”
“They thought that was funny. They thought that was cool. They wanted to let Trump be Trump. And then when Trump is Trump once again, when it comes to Iran... They're like, whoa, this is a first order betrayal.”
“If we weren't trying to decapitate them and they said, we're going to blow up all the energy infrastructure in the Gulf, we would say, no, you're not because that could bring down your own regime. But we are trying to bring down their regime, right? And I think the same, there's sort of two levels.”
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Ross Douthat
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Jonah Goldberg
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Benjamin Netanyahu
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Tucker Carlson
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