Conservative Crossroads with Henry Olsen: US Policy on Ukraine at the Crosroads
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This episode of Conservative Crossroads features a spirited debate between Luke Coffey of the Hudson Institute and Michael Brendan Doherty of National Review on the future of U.S. policy toward Ukraine. Coffey argues that American support for Ukraine is in the nation’s strategic and economic interest, emphasizing that aiding Ukraine weakens Russia, strengthens NATO, and provides invaluable battlefield lessons that benefit U.S. defense readiness. He frames the aid as a cost-effective investment—less than 0.1% of U.S. GDP—while boosting American industry and deterring China. Doherty counters that U.S. policy has been a strategic failure, rooted in the 2008 Bucharest Summit promise of future NATO membership, which he claims provoked Putin’s invasion. He argues that the U.S. overpromised without delivering, creating a dangerous geopolitical limbo that destabilized Ukraine and invited Russian aggression. He warns that America’s credibility is at stake, and that without public support or a clear path to victory, continued aid is unsustainable. Both agree on the importance of avoiding direct U.S. combat, but diverge sharply on whether the war should be won, frozen, or ended with de facto Russian control of occupied territories. The episode concludes with Coffey advocating for continued support as a responsible, low-cost national interest move, while Doherty calls for a more restrained, realistic exit strategy to preserve American credibility and avoid long-term entanglement.
U.S. support for Ukraine is a strategic investment that weakens Russia, strengthens European stability, and improves American defense readiness.
The cost of U.S. aid to Ukraine is less than 0.1% of U.S. GDP, with 80% of funds returning to American defense contractors.
Promising Ukraine future NATO membership without a clear path may have provoked Putin’s invasion, according to critics.
Public opinion in the U.S. strongly opposes sending ground troops, limiting the scope of American involvement.
An acceptable outcome may be a frozen front line with Russian-occupied territories not formally recognized as part of Russia.
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Introduction and Opening Statements
Host Henry Olsen introduces the debate on U.S. policy toward Ukraine, setting up the contrast between Luke Coffey’s pro-support stance and Michael Brendan Doherty’s critical view. Both guests deliver five-minute opening statements outlining their core positions.
Debate on NATO's Role and the Bucharest Summit
“The declaration of doing so [Ukraine joining NATO] was really foolish in a way because it kind of presumes a few things hidden in it. For instance... how do you resolve Russia's naval base at Sevastopol... within NATO itself?”
U.S. Involvement and National Interest
“We're not a combatant in it. NATO is not a combatant in it. We don't have troops on the ground. We're not fighting the Russians inside Ukraine.”
Acceptable Outcomes and Geopolitical Realism
“I don't think we've treated them that way, to be fair. I think this is a big departure of how we view the situation. I don't think the U.S. or NATO has done so much... that Ukraine sort of become a de facto member of NATO.”
Closing Statements
Doherty concludes with a call for restraint, warning that U.S. credibility is at risk and that Ukraine has already suffered too much. Coffey defends continued support as a responsible, low-cost national interest move that strengthens the transatlantic alliance.
“We've made it much more costly for them. But of course, we've made the victory much more significant and greater for them because now it's not a victory over poor Ukraine, but a victory over... NATO and the Western Alliance and everything else.”
“The Ukrainians thought that they were going to lose their whole country. This was the... planned initially for Russia. And now more than four years later, the Ukrainians still control over 80% of their homeland.”
“If you took a $1 bill and you turn that $1 bill into a hundred pennies and he took one penny and you cut that penny into 10 pieces, and then you grab one of those tiny pieces. That's the amount that has been provided to help Ukraine.”
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