Ep. 2749 Israeli Interests and U.S. Interests Aren't the Same

The Tom Woods Show48mApril 4, 2026

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In this episode of The Tom Woods Show, host Tom Woods engages in a deep and critical discussion with Scott Horton about the fundamental divergence between U.S. and Israeli interests in the Middle East. Horton argues that while the U.S. has long claimed a 'special relationship' with Israel, their strategic goals are fundamentally misaligned. Israel, driven by a right-wing nationalist ideology rooted in the idea of a 'Greater Israel,' seeks territorial expansion at the expense of Palestinians, including the forced displacement of millions and the destruction of Palestinian society. In contrast, U.S. interests—especially those of the American people and the broader geopolitical establishment—are centered on peace, commerce, and maintaining control over global choke points, particularly for energy and military dominance. Horton traces how U.S. policy has been repeatedly hijacked by the Israel lobby, especially through the manipulation of public perception via the 'war on terror' narrative, which was invented to sustain the alliance after the Cold War. He cites historical examples—from the 1953 coup in Iran to the Iraq War and the 9/11 aftermath—where U.S. actions were shaped more by Israeli strategic interests than by American national interest. The episode also critiques the myth of a 47-year war with Iran, revealing that the real conflict has been driven by U.S. and Israeli efforts to destabilize Iran, not the other way around. Horton warns that Israel’s push for a ground invasion of Iran would serve its own interests by prolonging U.S. involvement and weakening Iran, even if it means American casualties and national exhaustion.

Key Takeaways
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U.S. and Israeli interests in the Middle East are fundamentally divergent: Israel seeks territorial expansion and Palestinian displacement, while the U.S. aims for stability, trade, and strategic dominance.

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The 'war on terror' narrative was largely manufactured by Israel to sustain the U.S.-Israel alliance after the Cold War ended.

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The U.S. has repeatedly sabotaged peace efforts (e.g., two-state solution) due to pressure from the Israel lobby, not because of American public opinion.

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Iran’s repeated offers to negotiate—such as surrendering its uranium stockpile—were rejected by the U.S. to maintain the pretext for war.

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Israel benefits from regional chaos and conflict, as it allows them to consolidate power and eliminate rivals like Hezbollah and Iran.

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Chapters
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10 min

The Myth of the U.S.-Israel Special Relationship

The United States is going to attract whatever enemies Israel attracts as a result of this unresolved refugee problem. And so we need to proceed with caution.

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10:00
10 min

Israel’s Vision: The Greater Israel Doctrine

They must be tortured and murdered and their children killed and their societies obliterated so that they can finally be cleansed.

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20:00
10 min

The American People vs. the American Empire

Woods and Horton contrast the genuine interests of the American people—peace, prosperity, and freedom—with the imperial interests of the Pentagon, oil companies, and the military-industrial complex, which benefit from perpetual instability in the Middle East.

30:00
10 min

The Role of the Israel Lobby and Christian Zionism

It's completely stupid, ridiculous, idiotic superstitions that no offense to people, but if they do believe in it, they're victims. They've been propagandized by people essentially serving a foreign power.

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40:00
10 min

The Real Cause of 9/11: U.S. Support for Israel

I wonder if the Americans will blame us for this. No, he decides. I'm sure it won't. It'll just strengthen solidarity and sympathy between us.

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High-Impact Quotes
They must be tortured and murdered and their children killed and their societies obliterated so that they can finally be cleansed.
Scott Horton4:40
Viral: 90.0
I wonder if the Americans will blame us for this. No, he decides. I'm sure it won't. It'll just strengthen solidarity and sympathy between us.
Benjamin Netanyahu (quoted by Scott Horton)21:06
Viral: 85.0
They were worried that Steve Wyckoff was bringing home an offer that was too good to refuse. So they went ahead and launched the war before we could accept it.
Scott Horton44:13
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Tom Woods

Guest

Scott Horton
Topics Discussed
U.S.-Israel Strategic Divergence95%Origins of 9/11 and U.S. Foreign Policy92%Greater Israel Doctrine90%Iran-U.S. Relations and the 1953 Coup90%Israel Lobby Influence88%Regional Chaos and Israeli Interests87%U.S. Military Intervention in the Middle East85%Christian Zionism and Rapture Theology75%
People & Brands

Israel

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20xNegative

Iran

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15xNegative

Scott Horton

person

12xPositive

Tom Woods

person

10xPositive

Donald Trump

person

10xMixed

Benjamin Netanyahu

person

8xNegative

Bill Clinton

person

6xNegative

AIPAC

organization

5xNegative

W. Bush

person

5xNegative

Al-Qaeda

organization

5xNegative

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