354: Mistakes Were Made
In a powerful rerun of one of This American Life's most haunting episodes, Ira Glass explores the devastating consequences of well-intentioned but catastrophic decisions through the story of Bob Nelson, a TV repairman who became the unlikely leader of a cryonics movement in 1960s California. What began as a passionate belief in freezing the dead to revive them in the future spiraled into a series of irreversible failures: bodies stored in garages, makeshift vaults, and a sealed capsule that leaked nitrogen, likely destroying the remains of nine people—including a dying seven-year-old girl named Geneviève. When the truth emerged, Bob faced a lawsuit, lost his marriage, and was branded a murderer by the cryonics community. Yet he insists he acted out of love and necessity, arguing that secrecy was the only way to keep the dream alive. The episode’s second act turns to the poetry of apology, using William Carlos Williams’ famous poem "This Is Just To Say" as a lens to examine how people confess without truly repenting—whether it’s stealing plums, destroying a house, or betraying a partner. The variations on the poem, from a student’s burning of money to a poet’s admission of adultery, reveal a universal human pattern: the apology that sounds contrite but carries no real remorse. The episode ultimately asks: What does it mean to be sorry? Bob Nelson’s story shows that even when someone believes they’re doing the right thing, their actions can still cause irreversible harm.
Bob Nelson believed secrecy was necessary to keep cryonics alive, even as he failed to maintain the bodies of nine people, including a dying child.
The first cryonics capsule failed due to heat and pump failure, but Bob never told the families, claiming he was protecting their hope.
Geneviève’s father and Terry Harris both deny meeting Bob in Montreal to discuss the failure—raising questions about memory, guilt, and truth.
Cryonics became a legal and moral disaster, with Bob losing his marriage, being sued, and labeled a murderer by the community he served.
The poem "This Is Just To Say" reveals how apologies often demand forgiveness without taking responsibility, turning regret into a performance.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Myth of the Sincere Apology
“You are the man.”
The Rise and Fall of Bob Nelson
“I never intended with Marie Sweet to forever keep her in preservation at my own expense. No, I just felt for a while to see what happened next.”
The Cracked Capsule and the Broken Promise
Bob’s second cryonics capsule began failing due to heat and pump malfunctions. He kept it running despite constant breakdowns, spending his own money. When Geneviève, a dying seven-year-old, was added to the capsule, Bob broke his own rule and performed another free freezing. After her death, he discovered the capsule had failed—liquid nitrogen had leaked, and the bodies were likely destroyed.
The Apology That Never Was
“I have to concede that it's possible that what happened, because I've been mulling this over for the past few days, it's possible what I'm remembering is going through this scenario with him over the phone.”
The Aftermath and the Trial
The truth came out. The Harris brothers sued Bob and won $800,000. The vault was opened, revealing a rusted capsule and remains. The cemetery says the bodies were disinterred years ago. Bob, now broke and divorced, walks away. He still believes he was right—because he cared too much.
“Sorry I took your money and burned it, but it looked like the world falling apart when it crackled and burned. So I think it was worth it.”
“I'm sorry you're overweight and drinking, and feeling like everything in your life is doomed to failure, but this is probably why mom said I was her favorite.”
“I have to concede that it's possible that what happened, because I've been mulling this over for the past few days, it's possible what I'm remembering is going through this scenario with him over the phone.”
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Guests
Bob Nelson
person
Geneviève
person
Cryonic Society of California
organization
Terry Harris
person
Joe Clockether
person
Ira Glass
person
Marie Sweet
person
Guy
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Robert Ettinger
person
Sam Shaw
person
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