Ep 209 Dietary Guidelines Part 2: Why is there protein in everything?

This Podcast Will Kill You59mMay 5, 2026

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In this second part of their deep dive into the 2025-2030 Dietary Guidelines for Americans, Erin Welsh and Erin Alman-Updyke dissect the newly released guidelines, which were unveiled under President Trump’s administration and framed as a 'reset' of federal nutrition policy. The hosts critically examine the guidelines’ branding, messaging, and scientific credibility, highlighting a stark contrast between the rhetoric of 'common sense' and the reality of minimal substantive changes from prior versions. They identify four key shifts: a stronger emphasis on avoiding 'highly processed' foods (though the term lacks scientific precision), a controversial recommendation to consume whole-fat dairy despite no evidence of health benefits over low-fat options, a dramatic push for animal-based protein—up to double the previous recommended intake—despite strong data linking red meat to chronic disease, and the inclusion of saturated fats like butter and beef tallow as 'healthy fats,' contradicting decades of cardiovascular research. The hosts also critique the guidelines’ rejection of health equity considerations and their reliance on a rapid, industry-influenced advisory process. Globally, they note that most countries recommend plant-based proteins, limit saturated fats, and emphasize whole foods—contrary to the U.S. guidelines. Despite Americans already consuming enough protein, they fall short in fiber, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, with structural barriers like food deserts and socioeconomic disparities undermining the feasibility of the recommendations. The episode concludes with skepticism about the real-world impact of these guidelines, warning that without systemic changes in food access, regulation, and policy, the recommendations risk being little more than marketing for corporate interests and ideological agendas.

Key Takeaways
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The new dietary guidelines are largely a rebranding of existing recommendations with minimal scientific innovation, despite claims of a 'reset'.

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The recommendation to consume whole-fat dairy and animal-based protein is not supported by current evidence and contradicts decades of research on cardiovascular health.

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Labeling 'highly processed' foods as harmful is misleading and stigmatizing, especially since many processed foods are affordable and accessible in food deserts.

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The guidelines ignore structural inequities in food access, which are the primary drivers of poor dietary outcomes in marginalized communities.

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The emphasis on saturated fats like butter as 'healthy' is scientifically unsound and contradicts strong evidence linking saturated fat to heart disease.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

Sponsor & Intro: The New Dietary Guidelines and the Rhetoric of Reset

The episode opens with a series of podcast promos for 'Look Back At It', 'The Girlfriends', and 'The Psychology of Your 20s', followed by a dramatic, satirical reading of the White House’s press release announcing the new Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2025-2030. The hosts immediately critique the hyperbolic framing of a 'reset' and 'restoration of scientific integrity', calling it misleading and politically charged.

10:00
10 min

Deconstructing the 'Reset': What’s Actually New?

The hosts unpack the actual content of the new guidelines, revealing that core recommendations—such as limiting saturated fat to under 10% of calories and emphasizing whole grains, fruits, and vegetables—have not changed. They highlight the irony of calling this a 'reset' when the changes are minimal, and question the motives behind the intense media push and branding.

20:00
20 min

The 'Highly Processed' Food Rhetoric: Semantics vs. Science

The hosts dissect the new emphasis on avoiding 'highly processed' foods, arguing that the term lacks scientific validity. They explain the NOVA classification system and warn that blanket condemnation of all processed foods ignores the reality that many are affordable, accessible, and fortified—especially in low-income communities. They also critique the guidelines’ inclusion of artificial dyes and preservatives as harmful without strong evidence.

40:00
20 min

The War on Protein: A Scientific and Ideological Shift

The guidelines don’t provide any quantitative data to support the idea that animal proteins are healthier. They just don’t try to back it up with any real evidence.

Highlight
1:00:00
20 min

The 'Healthy Fat' Paradox: Butter, Tallow, and Cardiovascular Risk

You can't do all of that. It's contradictory. And I think it's like, it's a little by design because it's like providing lip service to multiple different things at once without revealing what the true intention behind it is.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
The guidelines are not based in science. They are based in ideology.
Erin Welsh74:03
Viral: 92.0
You can't do all of that. It's contradictory. And I think it's like, it's a little by design because it's like providing lip service to multiple different things at once without revealing what the true intention behind it is.
Erin Welsh44:08
Viral: 90.0
Across the board, based on all the evidence, the things that we should be limiting are saturated and trans fats, added sugars or free sugars, and sodium.
Erin Alman-Updyke50:37
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Hosts

Erin WelshErin Alman-Updyke
Topics Discussed
Dietary Guidelines for Americans95%Saturated Fat and Heart Health92%Plant-Based vs Animal Protein90%Food Inequity and Access88%Processed Foods85%Nutrition Science and Bias83%Global Dietary Guidelines80%Climate Impact of Diet75%
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Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2025-2030

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Erin Welsh

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Erin Alman-Updyke

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United States

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RFK Jr.

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President Trump

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Look Back At It

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The Psychology of Your 20s

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Food Deserts

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The Girlfriends

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