INTERVIEW | Make Money by Following Your Energy and Finding Meaningful Work with Lisa Marchiano
Lisa Marchiano, a Jungian analyst and co-creator of DreamSchool, reveals a radical reframe: money isn't the enemy of meaning—it's a measurable signal of impact. After years in nonprofit work where she earned under $50k, she was stunned to discover she was an entrepreneur, not just a therapist. Her breakthrough came not from chasing profit, but from following her energy and curiosity, leading to a career that blends deep psychological insight with practical creativity. She argues that the unconscious mind is a supercomputer of wisdom, and that 'if it helps, it's true'—a principle that applies to both personal growth and business. Her journey proves that meaningful work and financial success aren't opposites, but intertwined outcomes of staying aligned with your inner drive. The real moral of the story? Guilt about money, especially for women, is a cultural wound, not a personal failing.
Follow your energy, not just your job description—what drains you is a clue, what energizes you is a compass.
The unconscious mind is not a dumping ground but a creative supercomputer that generates insights, dreams, and breakthrough ideas.
If a belief or practice helps you grow, it's true—Jung’s core principle: 'If it helps, it's true.'
Money is a neutral symbol of life energy; the real question is: what are you exchanging your energy for?
Most entrepreneurial ideas fail—but you must play with the ones that don’t work to find the ones that do.
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Lisa’s First Moment of Financial Empowerment
“And I was like, it like hit me, right? That I was supporting myself. Yeah. Everything I was spending was my money. And it was a very empowering feeling.”
The Spiral Staircase: Career as a Nonlinear Journey
“Success is like a spiral staircase. You can only see the next step. You can't see long, far into the distance.”
How Jung Changed Her Life
“It was sort of like rediscovering a mother tongue that I didn't know I spoke. It was sort of like, oh yeah, this all makes sense. This just seems so natural.”
“Another thing I want to say about that, Travis, is you know who feels guilty about making money? Women. I have a friend who got a book deal that was considerable and she was in crisis and she called me up and she told me that she was just beside herself because she kind of didn't feel worthy.”
“And I'd never thought of things that way, but when I was reading it, it was sort of like rediscovering a mother tongue. that I didn't know I spoke. It was sort of like, oh yeah, this all makes sense. This just seems so natural.”
“The thing we always talk about on the show is success is like a spiral staircase. You can only see the next step. You can't see long, far into the distance.”
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Carl Jung
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Lisa Marchiano
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Travis
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Chibo
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