Is Canton Permissionless? CEO Says Yes, but SuperValidators Need Approval
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In this intense episode of Unchained, host Laura Shin dives into the controversy surrounding Canton, a blockchain infrastructure developed by Digital Asset, with CEO Yuval Ruz, Dragonfly's Hasib Qureshi, and Matter Labs' Alex Glukowski. The central debate revolves around whether Canton is truly 'permissionless' and whether it qualifies as a blockchain at all. Ruz defends Canton as permissionless, arguing that anyone can apply to become a super validator and that the network's design—centered on institutional adoption, privacy, and real-world asset (RWA) tokenization—serves a critical role in bringing traditional finance on-chain. Critics, particularly Glukowski, argue that Canton is not a blockchain but a 'mediated messaging network' because it lacks public verifiability, cannot enforce aggregate financial rules via consensus, and relies on centralized issuers. The discussion intensifies over issues like double-spend prevention, systemic risk from compromised issuers, and the absence of public state visibility. Ruz counters that decentralized assets like CBTC exist on Canton and that the network's model is more secure than some public chains. The episode also addresses accusations of unfair incentives, with Ruz rejecting claims that early validators were paid, and debates over MEV in TradFi versus crypto. Despite the heated exchange, the conversation underscores a fundamental tension in crypto: the trade-off between privacy, institutional utility, and the core principles of decentralization and transparency.
Canton is not a public blockchain in the traditional sense; it operates as a privacy-preserving, permissioned infrastructure for institutional RWA tokenization.
Canton's security relies on issuer integrity and multisig validation, not network-wide consensus, making it vulnerable to single-point failures if an issuer is compromised.
The debate over 'permissionless' highlights a cultural divide: technical permissionlessness (anyone can join) vs. functional permissionlessness (open access to all data and applications).
Canton lacks public verifiability—transactions are only visible to involved parties—raising concerns about auditability and systemic risk.
Ruz argues that Canton's model is superior for real-world finance because it enables privacy, compliance, and institutional trust without sacrificing security.
Introduction and Context: The Canton Controversy
Laura Shin sets the stage for the episode by introducing the recent public debate around Canton, a blockchain infrastructure by Digital Asset. She outlines the core tensions: whether Canton is truly permissionless and whether it qualifies as a blockchain. The episode features a panel of experts, including CEO Yuval Ruz, who defends Canton's design and vision.
Yuval Ruz Defends Canton's Vision and Structure
Yuval Ruz explains Canton's mission to bring capital markets on-chain by solving privacy and settlement finality issues. He emphasizes that Canton is not meant to be a public permissionless network for all, but a secure, privacy-focused infrastructure for institutions. He refutes claims of centralization, citing the open application process for super validators and the presence of decentralized assets like CBTC.
Alex Glukowski's Core Critique: Is Canton a Blockchain?
“Canton cannot enforce aggregate properties. It's not a blockchain. It's a messaging system with privacy.”
The Super Validator Debate: Permissionless or Not?
“There's an actual moment where permission is either granted or not in Canton. That's not permissionless.”
Security and Systemic Risk: The Issuer as Trust Anchor
“On Canton, you rely solely on the multisig. On Ethereum, you rely on smart contracts enforced by the network. That's the difference.”
“The only person who could say we got hacked is the issuer. You as an observer, even though you've seen $100 million of USDC issued, you don't know it's bad.”
“On Canton, you rely solely on the multisig. On Ethereum, you rely on smart contracts enforced by the network. That's the difference.”
“Canton cannot enforce aggregate properties. It's not a blockchain. It's a messaging system with privacy.”
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