'The Bible is not a policy manual’: Christians reckon with immigration under Trump

Up First from NPR24mMay 3, 2026

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This episode of NPR's Up First explores the intersection of religion, politics, and immigration policy in the United States, focusing on how the Trump administration has increasingly used biblical language and imagery to justify immigration enforcement actions. Journalist Brittany Luce hosts a conversation with NPR religion correspondent Jason DeRose and Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero, a Latino evangelical leader, to examine how government messaging—such as DHS videos quoting the Beatitudes alongside images of immigration raids—distorts religious texts to serve political ends. The guests emphasize that while the Bible is not a policy manual, its teachings on welcoming the stranger, caring for the marginalized, and justice are central to Christian ethics. They critique the selective use of scripture by conservative leaders, especially white evangelicals, to promote strict border enforcement, while ignoring the fact that many of those detained are themselves Christian. The discussion also unpacks the myth of Christian persecution in America, highlighting the nation’s deep religious pluralism and the contradiction of claiming to defend faith while targeting fellow believers. Ultimately, the episode calls for a more nuanced, contextually grounded understanding of faith in public life.

Key Takeaways
1

The Bible is not a policy manual—scripture must be interpreted in context to avoid being weaponized for political agendas.

2

Government use of religious imagery (e.g., Sermon on the Mount paired with immigration raids) creates moral dissonance and undermines the integrity of faith.

3

Latino and other non-white evangelicals are deeply disillusioned by the politicization of faith, especially when it leads to the detention of fellow Christians.

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The claim that Christians are 'oppressed' in America is contradicted by the nation’s religious freedom, abundance of Christian institutions, and global persecution realities.

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True Christian ethics emphasize hospitality to the stranger, the orphan, the widow, and the immigrant—values that conflict with punitive immigration enforcement.

Chapters
0:00
4 min

Faith, Journalism, and the Politics of Biblical Rhetoric

Aisha Roscoe introduces the episode by reflecting on her identity as a Christian journalist and her concern about how the Trump administration uses biblical language to justify policy, setting up a deeper conversation about religion and public life.

4:00
6 min

Churches Respond to ICE Enforcement: Fear, Resistance, and Disillusionment

For the close to 10 million Latino evangelicals of which I am one, we are deeply indignant about what's going on. And there's going to be a reckoning around this issue, particularly around evangelicals of color.

Highlight
10:00
7 min

Government Use of Scripture: From DHS Videos to Congressional Tweets

Here you have this quotation from the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God, contrasted with law enforcement and military-style helicopters.

Highlight
17:00
6 min

Theological Ethics: Scripture Out of Context Is a Pretext

When you take a text out of a context, it becomes a pretext to defend your opinion. And overwhelmingly, the gospel is for the immigrant. The orphan, the stranger and the widow and the poor overwhelmingly.

Highlight
23:00
1 min

America’s Religious Identity: Secular Nation, Religious Society

The conversation concludes with a reflection on America’s complex religious identity—secular in governance but deeply religious in culture—and a critique of the myth of Christian persecution, especially among white evangelicals who benefit from religious freedom.

High-Impact Quotes
The majority of the people who are being detained are Christians. This is the inconsistency that we're trying to highlight.
Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero23:36
Viral: 92.0
Here you have this quotation from the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God, contrasted with law enforcement and military-style helicopters.
Jason DeRose8:48
Viral: 90.0
You can take any text out of its context to make it say whatever you want. But overwhelmingly, the gospel is for the immigrant. The orphan, the stranger and the widow and the poor overwhelmingly.
Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero13:31
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Hosts

Aisha RoscoeBrittany Luce

Guests

Jason DeRoseReverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero
Topics Discussed
Religion and Public Policy95%Christianity and the Stranger92%Immigration Enforcement and Faith90%Biblical Interpretation and Context88%Political Use of Scripture87%White Evangelicalism and Political Power85%Separation of Church and State80%Religious Freedom in America75%
People & Brands

Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero

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15xPositive

Jason DeRose

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12xPositive

Brittany Luce

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10xNeutral

Trump administration

organization

8xNegative

NPR

organization

5xNeutral

Department of Homeland Security

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4xNegative

Mike Johnson

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3xNegative

It's Been a Minute

media

3xNeutral

Pete Hegseth

person

2xNegative

Aisha Roscoe

person

2xNeutral

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