Successful NAVHDA trainer on composure, acing the test, raising the bar and "desperate" dogs

Upland Nation1h 1mApril 14, 2026

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In this episode of the Upland Nation podcast, host Scott Linden welcomes back Clyde Vedder, widely regarded as the most successful NAVDA trainer to date, at the National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic. The conversation dives deep into Vedder’s philosophy of training elite hunting dogs—not for tests, but for real-world performance—emphasizing composure, early development, and building confidence through fun and positive reinforcement. Vedder shares his groundbreaking approach to training, including introducing birds to puppies as young as five weeks, using live pigeons on fishing poles to assess mental toughness, and prioritizing natural drive over forced obedience. He also discusses the importance of conservation through Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever, highlighting how he and his wife, Marilyn, have actively supported youth and mid-career hunters by purchasing life memberships and fostering a culture of 'paying it forward.' The episode concludes with a personal story from a recent chukar hunt in Nevada, where Vedder reflects on the value of 'desperate' dogs—those that push harder when birds are scarce—revealing a nuanced understanding of dog psychology and hunting ethics.

Key Takeaways
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Train for elite hunting performance, not just test success—composure and drive matter more than formal obedience.

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Introduce birds to puppies as early as five weeks to build prey drive and mental toughness.

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Use fun, positive reinforcement and gradual pressure to build confidence, not force or fear.

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The 'desperate dog' is a sign of high potential—when birds are scarce, the best dogs push harder and explore more.

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Pay it forward by supporting youth and mid-career hunters through life memberships and mentorship.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

Welcome to Pheasant Fest & the Power of the Dog Community

Scott Linden welcomes listeners to the National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic, highlighting the vibrant dog culture and the sense of family among attendees. He introduces Clyde Vedder, celebrating his status as the most successful NAVDA trainer, and sets the stage for a deep dive into dog training philosophy and conservation.

10:00
10 min

Conservation as a Lifelong Mission: Paying It Forward

The one thing that actually means the most to me is not the stuff that's hanging off of my tag. It's the stuff that's hanging off of Jason's tag.

Highlight
20:00
20 min

Training Philosophy: Building Elite Hunting Dogs, Not Test Machines

I never train for a test. I train what I call an elite hunting dog. And if you train for an elite hunting dog, the test is easy.

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40:00
20 min

The Early Years: From Five Weeks to a Lifetime of Drive

You know, you just can't, you need birds and I know it gets expensive but birds make a bird dog.

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1:00:00
10 min

The 'Desperate' Dog: When Hard Work Reveals True Potential

When you watch them get desperate, the ones you may not want to keep start hunting closer and slowly and they give up. The dogs I'm looking for get desperate.

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High-Impact Quotes
I never train for a test. I train what I call an elite hunting dog. And if you train for an elite hunting dog, the test is easy.
Clyde Vedder23:05
Viral: 92.0
When you watch them get desperate, the ones you may not want to keep start hunting closer and slowly and they give up. The dogs I'm looking for get desperate.
Clyde Vedder57:00
Viral: 90.0
The one thing that actually means the most to me is not the stuff that's hanging off of my tag. It's the stuff that's hanging off of Jason's tag.
Clyde Vedder12:43
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

Scott Linden

Guest

Clyde Vedder
Topics Discussed
dog training philosophy95%early puppy development90%conservation and youth outreach88%composure and mental toughness85%prey drive and confidence building82%navda testing and utility training78%hunting in challenging terrain75%positive reinforcement in training70%
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Clyde Vedder

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Scott Linden

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Pheasants Forever

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Quail Forever

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NAVDA

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Marilyn Vedder

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National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic

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18xPositive

Jake Bartels

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Brooke

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Pike Gear

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