Can Anxious People Date Avoidants? We're Talking Attachment Styles

We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson36mApril 16, 2026

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In this episode of 'We Need To Talk,' host Paul C. Brunson dives deep into the complexities of attachment styles, focusing on the dynamics between anxious and avoidant individuals in romantic relationships. Drawing from Dr. Amir Levine's book *Secure*, the conversation explores how people are often drawn to partners with similar attachment styles—especially avoidants pairing with avoidants or anxious individuals with anxious partners—though this isn't always sustainable. The core message centers on the transformative power of creating a 'secure-enriched environment' through consistent, available, responsive, reliable, and predictable (CARP) behaviors. The episode dismantles myths about avoidants being emotionally cold or damaged by childhood trauma, emphasizing that avoidance is a biological and neurological response rooted in survival instincts. Using real-life examples, neuroscience, and experiments like the 'still face' and 'social exclusion' studies, the hosts illustrate how even small interactions—like a delayed text—can trigger deep emotional distress. The episode concludes with practical tools: setting clear expectations early, using CARP interventions, and shifting attention toward secure individuals in one’s life to rewire relational patterns. Ultimately, the message is hopeful: secure attachment isn't about perfection, but about small, intentional actions that retrain the brain and build lasting, low-drama relationships.

Key Takeaways
1

Anxious and avoidant individuals often attract each other, but this dynamic can be managed with intentional tools like CARP (Consistent, Available, Responsive, Predictable).

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Avoidance is not a sign of emotional unavailability or childhood neglect—it's a biological strategy for regulating closeness and distance.

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Small, everyday interactions (like timely texts) have profound neurological impacts and can either strengthen or disrupt attachment bonds.

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Creating a 'secure-enriched environment' involves shifting focus from insecure people to those who are consistently responsive and reliable.

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Secure relationships are often 'boring'—and that’s a good thing—because they allow for exploration, growth, and emotional safety.

Chapters
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10 min

The Science of Attraction: Why We Choose Our Partners

The episode begins with a discussion on how people are drawn to partners with similar attachment styles, challenging the myth that avoidants only pair with anxious individuals. Dr. Amir Levine shares insights from his book *Secure*, emphasizing that attraction is rooted in biology—smell, appearance, and early non-verbal cues—before personality is known.

10:00
10 min

Debunking Myths About Avoidant Attachment

Our human brain is built to make those connections and actually when I became a scientist, I discovered how hard it is. It's like the holy grail of science is to find causality, and it's so hard.

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20:00
10 min

The Power of CARP: Building a Secure Environment

If you can learn how to do that and you can also teach others how to be that way with you, then you've created yourself a secure environment.

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30:00
10 min

The Neurobiology of Connection: Why Exclusion Hurts

When you cut off human connection, it seems like that is one of the worst things you can do to the brain. I really, really understood it.

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40:00
20 min

Practical Tools for Anxious and Avoidant Partners

You could be anxious and be in a relationship with someone who's avoidant. You can make it work if you use these tools.

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High-Impact Quotes
When you cut off human connection, it seems like that is one of the worst things you can do to the brain. I really, really understood it.
Dr. Amir Levine27:13
Viral: 90.0
You could be anxious and be in a relationship with someone who's avoidant. You can make it work if you use these tools.
Dr. Amir Levine32:17
Viral: 88.0
I'm not saying anything. What do you want from me? Not from a place, but they're not realizing that they're actually engaging in a really aggressive act.
Dr. Amir Levine26:50
Viral: 86.0
Speakers

Host

Paul C. Brunson

Guest

Dr. Amir Levine
Topics Discussed
attachment styles95%avoidant attachment92%anxious attachment90%secure attachment88%relationship dynamics85%communication in relationships83%neuroscience of love80%emotional regulation75%
People & Brands

Dr. Amir Levine

person

15xPositive

Paul C. Brunson

person

12xPositive

CARP

other

8xPositive

Secure

book

6xPositive

Saley

product

4xPositive

still face experiment

other

4xNeutral

strange situation test

other

3xNeutral

social exclusion

other

3xNeutral

500 Days of Summer

media

2xPositive

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