Steelhead and Chinook Spey Lessons with Floyd Carter: How to Stop Losing Fish
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Floyd Carter returns to the Wet Fly Swing podcast to tackle a frustrating mystery plaguing steelhead and Chinook anglers across the Pacific Northwest and Alaska: why fish are coming unbuttoned—hooked, then suddenly spitting the fly mid-run. Drawing from a season of baffling losses on rivers like the Olympic Peninsula’s Ho River and Togiak’s legendary Chinook grounds, Floyd reveals that the problem isn’t just technique—it’s timing, pressure, and the subtle psychology of the fish. He shares a jaw-dropping moment where a fly literally came apart in a steelhead’s mouth, exposing flaws in fly construction and the need for better hook sets. The core revelation? Many anglers are too quick to set the hook. Instead, Floyd advocates for a radical shift: carry a loop in your line to give fish more room to commit, especially on steelhead, and only then apply the 'lumber'—a decisive, forceful set—when the fish turns and the line peels off steadily. This isn’t just about gear; it’s about mindset. He argues that the best guides aren’t the ones with all the answers, but those who embrace uncertainty, experiment, and teach clients to trust the fish’s behavior. The episode culminates in a powerful meditation on the mental toughness of fly fishing—how suffering, failure, and persistence are not setbacks but the very foundation of mastery and joy.
Carry a 3-foot loop in your line to give steelhead more room to commit before setting the hook, reducing premature spits.
Wait for a steady, sustained line peel—no jerking—before applying the 'lumber' (forceful hook set) on steelhead or Chinook.
The 'chewing the gum' phase can last 4 seconds; let the fish eat, then commit—your job is to wait, not react.
If you're losing fish despite good contact, it's likely due to setting too early, not too late—your drag is too tight too soon.
The best guides don’t have all the answers—they’re comfortable with uncertainty and use real-time data from the fish.
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The Mystery of the Unbuttoned Fish
“I could feel what that hook did when that fish turned. I could feel it roll. I could feel the head shake. It was very strange. I just felt it all go down...”
The Loop Debate: Carry It or Not?
“What's the worst? Versus what do I have to lose with them feeling my fly sooner and spitting it out because I have my drag on and they feel that pressure sooner?”
The 'Chewing the Gum' Moment
“He came to the hang down... this buck chewed on his fly for a four Mississippi count. No way. Oh my. And he just sat there and he just, well, I guess there's not much you could do.”
Togiak’s Chinook Run: Timing and Tactics
Floyd reflects on the Togiak trip, where Chinook runs were driven by a single daily tide. He explains how guides intercept fish coming in with the tide, timing their swings to match the fish’s movement. The river’s drop revealed key slots and bars, making fish easier to find.
The Mental Game: Suffering as Growth
Floyd discusses the mental toll of fly fishing—blown casts, cold days, skunked trips. He argues these moments are not failures but necessary deposits in the bank of mastery. He draws a parallel to elite athletes, emphasizing discipline, resilience, and the joy found in the struggle.
“is no finish line here, guys and gals. Like, hey, we are just evolving. It's just on to the next evolution.”
“the swing of the flag. And this buck chewed on his fly for a four Mississippi count. No way. Oh my. And he just sat there and he just, well, I guess there's not much you could do.”
“The pain and suffering to get to that one fish or whatever it is. That's why you see people brought to tears.”
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Floyd Carter
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Dave
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Togiak River
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Olympic Peninsula
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Ho River
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Togiak Lodge
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Zach
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Jordan
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Trout Unlimited
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Carbon TV
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