Why $PSUS deserves a premium to NAV and $PS deserves a premium multiple | Marlton's James Elbaor

Yet Another Value Podcast1h 5mMay 19, 2026

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James Elbaor of Marlton argues that Pershing Square US (PSUS), the newly IPO'd closed-end fund, will trade at a premium to net asset value (NAV) over time—not because of its structure, but because of the unparalleled franchise quality and track record of Bill Ackman and his team. Despite trading at a 17% discount initially, Elbaor believes the market will eventually recognize PSUS as a holding company in disguise, with quarterly earnings calls, transparent reporting, and a compounding capital engine. He contrasts this with traditional closed-end funds and even other holding companies, which rarely trade at premiums. The real value, he says, lies in the permanent capital—$34 billion and growing at 20% annually—that cannot leave, creating massive operating leverage. Meanwhile, the management company PS trades at a 30x fee-related earnings multiple, which Elbaor sees as justified by its 85% ownership by Ackman, its clean income statement, and its ability to generate cash through fee streams and performance incentives. He dismisses concerns about key man risk, citing Ryan Israel’s leadership and a deep bench. The most compelling argument? PS is not just a fund—it’s a compounding machine with optionality, and the market is underpricing its future growth potential.

Key Takeaways
1

PSUS will likely trade at a premium to NAV over time due to its unique franchise quality and permanent capital structure, not just as a closed-end fund.

2

PS trades at 30x fee-related earnings, a multiple justified by its 85% founder ownership, clean income statement, and compounding capital engine.

3

The $34 billion in permanent capital at PS cannot leave, creating massive operating leverage—headcount is only 50, yet AUM could grow to $90 billion with 20% annual compounding.

4

PS’s performance incentives are fully aligned with shareholders: if the business does well, Bill does better; if it fails, he does worse.

5

Key man risk is mitigated by Ryan Israel’s proven leadership and a deep bench team with long tenures, including Ben Hakim.

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Chapters
0:00
1 min

Introduction and Sponsor

Andrew Walker introduces the podcast and welcomes James Elbaor. The episode is sponsored by Fiscal.ai, a financial data provider with real-time fundamental data for AI integration.

1:00
2 min

The Pershing Square Complex: PSUS and PS

Elbaor introduces the two new entities: PSUS, the $5 billion closed-end fund, and PS, the publicly traded management company. He emphasizes their scale—PSUS is the largest U.S. equity closed-end fund ever launched.

3:00
2 min

Why PSUS Will Trade at a Premium

I fundamentally don't see [PSUS] trading at a 17% discount. Once we get into a cadence of regular reporting, that discount is not going to be sitting at 17.

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5:00
2 min

PS vs. PSH: The London vs. U.S. Dilemma

Elbaor compares PSUS to Pershing Square Holdings (PSH) in London, which trades at a 32% discount. He explains why PSUS is more attractive: U.S. investor access, no performance fee, and 40-act constraints.

7:00
2 min

The Power of Permanent Capital

You're looking at getting to 90 billion and the employee count is gonna be sub 75 people. Great overview.

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High-Impact Quotes
at getting to 90, huh? 90 billion and the employee count is gonna be sub 75 people. Great overview.
James Elbaor35:32
Viral: 82.0
I would say there was a risk, a key man risk of Bill. And I think that that has been significantly mitigated now.
James Elbaor55:18
Viral: 78.0
This is an argument in the finance too, right? Like, hey, compare us to our peers. If we raise a five or $10 billion fund, it blows up our AUM versus our peers.
James Elbaor61:50
Viral: 75.0
Speakers

Host

Andrew Walker

Guest

James Elbaor
Topics Discussed
pershing square us95%permanent capital92%pershing management company90%closed-end fund premium88%fee-related earnings85%asset manager valuation83%key man risk80%psus vs psh78%
People & Brands

Bill Ackman

person

35xPositive

Pershing Square US

organization

28xPositive

Pershing Management Company

organization

22xPositive

James Elbaor

person

12xPositive

Pershing Square Holdings

organization

10xNeutral

Andrew Walker

person

10xNeutral

Ryan Israel

person

8xPositive

Marlton

organization

7xPositive

Spark

organization

6xPositive

KKR

organization

5xNeutral

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