An unlikely journey – a conversation with Trish Rothgeb, Wrecking Ball Coffee
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In this reflective and insightful episode of the Fifth Wave podcast, host Jeffrey Young sits down with Trish Rothgeb, founder of Wrecking Ball Coffee Roasters and a pioneering figure in the West Coast specialty coffee movement. Trish shares her unlikely journey from an art student in the 1980s to becoming one of the first women in the U.S. to earn a Q Grader certification and a key architect of the 'third wave' coffee movement—popularizing the term through a 2002 article that unexpectedly became a cornerstone of coffee industry discourse. She recounts her early days roasting in Norway, working with legends like Tim Wendelboe and Robert Thorson, and the evolution of coffee culture from intimate, community-driven spaces to today’s globalized, high-stakes industry. After a turbulent post-pandemic period that saw Wrecking Ball shrink to a single neighborhood store, Trish is now rebuilding with a renewed focus on equity, community, and the artistry of coffee. She draws powerful parallels between her artistic roots and coffee as performance art, emphasizing the profound human connection in every cup. Her vision for the next wave centers on sustainable economic models that empower producers globally.
The term 'third wave coffee' was popularized by Trish Rothgeb in a 2002 article, though she wasn't the first to use it—her contribution was in framing it as a cultural movement with deep roots in social and artistic parallels.
Coffee culture has evolved from intimate, local experiences to a global industry, but the core value lies in human connection, community, and the artistry of the craft.
The next meaningful shift in coffee must center on equity—sustainable economic models that empower producers, not just consumers.
Wrecking Ball Coffee is in a rebuild phase post-pandemic, focusing on community, elevated service, and a return to its original mission of hospitality and inclusivity.
Trish sees coffee as a living performance art—where roasting, brewing, and consumption form a shared, ephemeral moment of beauty and connection.
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Introduction to Trish Rothgeb and the Third Wave Legacy
“The next meaningful shift must focus on equity across the global supply chain and why lasting change will only come when economic models work sustainably for producers, not just pleasing customers.”
From Art Student to Coffee Pioneer
Trish recounts her journey from art school in the 1980s to her first coffee job, learning roasting under Fred Nagar in the early 1990s, and her move to Norway where she met key figures like Tim Wendelboe and Robert Thorson.
The Birth of 'Third Wave' Coffee
“I just applied the three waves concept to coffee. Not a huge leap, but... it just kept going from there.”
The Evolution of Coffee Culture and Barista Competitions
Trish reflects on the early days of barista competitions in Norway, the shift from intimate, communal events to theatrical performances, and the cultural resistance to filter coffee and single-origin brews.
The Wrecking Ball Era: Growth and Collapse
“It's kind of a from-the-ashes sort of story, I like to say.”
“The next meaningful shift must focus on equity across the global supply chain and why lasting change will only come when economic models work sustainably for producers, not just pleasing customers.”
“To me, it felt like the best performance art I could ever engage in and the most rewarding thing to sort of witness.”
“The best thing I was doing with my day was roasting coffee in the morning, giving it to the baristas, watching the baristas create small offerings, and then watching a guest consume it into their body.”
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Trish Rothgeb
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Wrecking Ball Coffee Roasters
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Norway
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Nick Cho
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California
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Brazil
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San Francisco
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Tim Wendelboe
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Robert Thorson
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