Lisa Natoli: Joy of Being

A Course in Miracles1h 8mJune 1, 2026
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Lisa Natoli, a teacher of A Course in Miracles, reveals in her new book *The Joy of Being* that true healing begins not with fixing the body, but with ending the identification with the body as 'me.' After years of chronic illness and spiritual practice, she discovered that her suffering wasn't a failure of faith, but a result of clinging to a conditioned self—'I am a sick person.' The breakthrough came not through more effort, but through self-inquiry: gently asking 'Who is the I that believes I'm failing?' and realizing that the true self is not a body, not a story, but pure awareness—changeless, whole, and already free. This shift, she explains, isn't about achieving enlightenment later, but recognizing it now. Her journey—from resistance to personal stories in her book, to experiencing 'adjustment bureau' moments of effortless flow in real life—shows that joy isn't conditional on circumstances. It's a direct experience of being, available to anyone who stops trying to fix themselves and simply rests in the awareness that they are already whole. The real spiritual work, she argues, is not in changing thoughts, but in seeing them as appearances in the mind, not facts about who you are.

Key Takeaways
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Stop identifying with your body as 'me'—it's an object of experience, not your true self.

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The moment you ask 'Who is the I that believes I'm failing?' you begin to see the truth of your identity.

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Healing isn't about fixing the body; it's about ending the belief that you are a sick person.

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Joy is not conditional—it's available now, regardless of circumstances, because you are already whole.

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The mind's resistance to change is normal; old thoughts are like 'wispy puffs' that fade over time, not failures.

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Chapters
0:07
2 min

Opening Prayer: Anchoring in the Joy of Being

Jennifer Hadley leads a meditative prayer inviting listeners to release fear, guilt, and separation, and to anchor in the joy of being—recognizing their true nature as whole, eternal, and one with all.

1:52
2 min

Introducing Lisa Natoli and Her New Book, The Joy of Being

Jennifer introduces Lisa Natoli, a teacher of A Course in Miracles and founder of The Healing Cure, highlighting her new bestselling book that emerged from eight years of personal transformation and spiritual inquiry.

4:08
3 min

The Birth of The Joy of Being: From Resistance to Revelation

I didn't tell anybody. So I think everybody was surprised because I wasn't telling anybody I was writing a book and then all of a sudden he's like, it's on Amazon.

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7:14
4 min

The Body as Memory: A Shift in Identification

Lisa explains that the body is not 'me' but a bundle of habitual thoughts and memories. True freedom comes from seeing the body as an object of experience—like a chair or a pen—not the self.

11:13
5 min

Self-Inquiry: The Key to Ending the Inner War

The I, that's the oneself, that's changeless, doesn't need to change a thought. It doesn't have thoughts. The thoughts are appearing and disappearing in the I am, in that one's self.

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High-Impact Quotes
You're not going to be whole later. You're whole now. You're not going to be healed later. You're healed now.
Lisa Natoli55:42
But the I, that's the oneself, that's changeless. doesn't need to change a thought. It doesn't have thoughts. The thoughts are appearing and disappearing in the I am, in that one's self.
Lisa Natoli16:20
to make something happen. I was trying to do things right. I was trying to get my thoughts, right? I was trying to not have resistance. I was trying to, trying is part of the mind.
Lisa Natoli43:27
Speakers

Host

Reverend Jennifer Hadley

Guest

Lisa Natoli
Topics Discussed
non-duality95%A Course in Miracles92%self-inquiry90%body as experience88%spiritual awakening85%healing the mind82%joy as practice80%samskara78%
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