Alan Kohler on why Trump’s war hasn’t spooked Wall Street
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In this episode of ABC News Daily, host Sam Hawley explores the paradox of Wall Street's record-breaking stock market performance amid escalating global tensions, particularly the ongoing war in Iran and its impact on fuel prices and inflation. Despite rising inflation—now at 4.6%—and mounting pressure for the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) to raise interest rates, global markets, especially in the US, remain buoyant. Finance expert Alan Kohler explains that this resilience is largely driven by an unprecedented boom in artificial intelligence (AI), with companies like Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, Google, and Oracle reporting massive profits and planning to spend nearly US$800 billion on AI this year. The AI surge is boosting productivity expectations across industries, leading analysts to upgrade profit forecasts and fueling investor confidence. Kohler acknowledges that while the war in Iran is causing real-world economic pain—through higher energy costs and inflation—the markets are effectively 'pretending' the conflict doesn't exist by focusing on AI's transformative potential. He also notes that markets may be relying on the long-standing 'moral hazard' belief that governments and central banks will always intervene during crises, as seen in past bailouts during the GFC and pandemic. However, Kohler cautions that if the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, a prolonged global recession could derail the AI boom, leading to a market crash. While he remains cautiously optimistic—'my glass is half full'—he warns that the current optimism may be misplaced if geopolitical risks escalate. Key takeaways include: AI is now a dominant force driving market performance, not just a speculative bubble; the disconnect between real-world inflation and stock market highs is real but rooted in AI-driven productivity gains; central banks face a tough balancing act between fighting inflation and avoiding recession; and the belief in government intervention (the 'Greenspan put' legacy) continues to shape market psychology. Kohler suggests that while the AI boom is historically significant and likely to endure, it is not immune to macroeconomic shocks, particularly those stemming from prolonged energy disruptions. The episode underscores the fragility of market confidence when geopolitical risks intersect with structural economic pressures.
AI is driving a historic market boom, with companies investing heavily and profits rising across sectors.
Markets are discounting geopolitical risks like the Iran war by focusing on AI’s productivity gains.
The belief in government bailouts (moral hazard) continues to underpin market confidence.
A prolonged closure of the Strait of Hormuz could trigger a global recession, undermining the AI boom.
Rising inflation and rate hikes are likely to cause at least one negative GDP quarter, raising recession risks.
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Introduction: The Paradox of Market Resilience
The episode opens with a brief, unrelated segment on brain implants before transitioning to the core topic: why global markets, especially Wall Street, are surging despite rising inflation and geopolitical turmoil from the Iran war.
Inflation, Rates, and Recession Risks
Alan Kohler outlines the current economic landscape: inflation at 4.6%, strong market odds of an RBA rate hike, and growing consensus among economists that further hikes are likely, increasing the risk of a recession.
The AI Boom: The Real Driver of Market Gains
“The AI boom is not just market froth—it's genuine. It's a third wind, a burst of usage since ChatGPT launched at the end of 2022.”
Two Booming Sectors: AI and Energy
The episode highlights how both AI and energy sectors are seeing massive profits—AI from increased usage and investment, and energy from soaring fuel prices due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
Market Optimism vs. Reality: Can It Last?
“If the Strait of Hormuz remains closed in two or three months, there will almost certainly be a global recession... the AI boom will be derailed for a while.”
“The world has changed forever... but it may be that a global recession caused by a continuing closure of the Strait of Hormuz sort of derails it for a while.”
“The AI boom is not just market froth—it's genuine. It's a third wind, a burst of usage since ChatGPT launched at the end of 2022.”
“The thing about a bubble is that it's not supported by profits. But at the moment, it is.”
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