Will Trump 'blink first' and end the war?

ABC News Daily15mApril 21, 2026

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This episode of ABC News Daily examines the ongoing war between the U.S. and Iran, now over seven weeks old, and whether a diplomatic off-ramp can be found. Former Trump administration Iran negotiator Nate Swanson offers a candid assessment of the conflict's trajectory, criticizing President Trump's erratic leadership and the lack of clear objectives. Despite massive U.S.-Israeli strikes, Iran has leveraged control of the Strait of Hormuz as a strategic deterrent—something Swanson calls a 'huge boon' that has unexpectedly shifted the balance of power. While Iran has suffered military damage, it sees itself as winning by surviving and asserting influence. Swanson argues both sides have an interest in ending the war, but major obstacles remain: U.S. demands for nuclear concessions versus Iran’s desire to monetize the strait and secure long-term deterrence. He warns against a deal that lets Iran establish a 'toll booth' through the strait, which would be a strategic loss. With peace talks in Pakistan underway and conflicting signals from Trump, Swanson remains skeptical about a deal by Wednesday but sees a framework as possible. The episode underscores the high stakes of diplomacy in a war where both sides may be waiting for the other to blink first.

Key Takeaways
1

Iran has successfully turned the Strait of Hormuz into a strategic deterrent, giving it leverage despite military losses.

2

Trump’s inconsistent messaging—threatening total destruction one day, announcing a deal the next—undermines U.S. credibility and plays into Iran’s hands.

3

Iran is not seeking to surrender or capitulate but wants long-term security guarantees, including control over the strait and sanctions relief.

4

The U.S. must avoid a deal that rewards Iran with de facto control over the Strait of Hormuz, which would be a major strategic defeat.

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A framework agreement is possible, but a full deal by the Pakistan talks is unlikely due to deep differences on nuclear enrichment and sanctions.

Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction: The War in Iran and the Search for an Off-Ramp

The episode opens with a brief promo for another ABC podcast before introducing the ongoing U.S.-Iran war, now over seven weeks old, and the uncertainty surrounding the upcoming peace talks in Pakistan.

2:29
4 min

Nate Swanson on the War's Unpredictable Trajectory

I think it was not totally surprising that Iran escalated so quickly... but never, I think, would have ever guessed that it would go this long and that it would be still so messy 50 days in without a clear idea of how exactly this ends.

Highlight
6:49
6 min

Iran’s Strategic Use of the Strait of Hormuz

It's really been, you know, a huge boon for Iran to be able to utilize this power, this new power in ways that are really quite unforeseen and quite effective.

Highlight
12:21
6 min

The Divergent Goals of the U.S. and Iran

If we end up with a situation where Iran has basically a toll booth running through the Strait of Hormuz, that's a huge strategic loss for the U.S. and for the world.

Highlight
18:24
7 min

Can a Deal Be Reached? The Role of J.D. Vance and Trump’s Posturing

The discussion turns to Trump’s erratic behavior and the symbolic role of J.D. Vance in the talks. Swanson suggests Iran sees Vance as more peace-oriented and less supportive of war, which gives him leverage. He remains skeptical of a full deal but sees a framework as possible.

High-Impact Quotes
If we end up with a situation where Iran has basically a toll booth running through the Strait of Hormuz, that's a huge strategic loss for the U.S. and for the world.
Nate Swanson12:45
Viral: 95.0
It's really been, you know, a huge boon for Iran to be able to utilize this power, this new power in ways that are really quite unforeseen and quite effective.
Nate Swanson5:07
Viral: 90.0
I think it was not totally surprising that Iran escalated so quickly... but never, I think, would have ever guessed that it would go this long and that it would be still so messy 50 days in without a clear idea of how exactly this ends.
Nate Swanson1:54
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Sam Hawley

Guest

Nate Swanson
Topics Discussed
U.S.-Iran War95%Strait of Hormuz90%Diplomatic Negotiations85%Trump's Foreign Policy80%Iran's Asymmetric Warfare75%U.S. Military Strategy70%Sanctions and Economic Leverage65%J.D. Vance in Foreign Policy60%
People & Brands

Nate Swanson

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28xPositive

Iran

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22xNeutral

United States

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18xNeutral

Strait of Hormuz

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15xNeutral

Donald Trump

person

14xNegative

Israel

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8xNeutral

J.D. Vance

person

6xPositive

Pakistan

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5xNeutral

Biden presidency

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2xNeutral

Atlantic Council

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2xPositive

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