Coaches Aren't Essential. Here's Why You Need One Anyway.

Chasing Excellence30mMay 21, 2026

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Coaches aren't essential—but they're indispensable for breakthrough growth. In this candid episode of *Chasing Excellence*, Ben and Patrick dismantle the myth that mentorship is a luxury, arguing instead that it’s a strategic accelerator. Drawing from personal experience, they reveal that while formal coaching wasn’t part of their upbringing, they’ve built powerful, reciprocal relationships with mentors, friends, and coaches—each serving a distinct purpose. The real value isn’t in the title, but in the vulnerability, curiosity, and patience required to truly absorb insight. Whether through paid coaches, deep friendships with peers like Marcus and Derek, or even books, the key is not just receiving advice, but mentally mapping how to apply it. The episode reframes mentorship not as a dependency, but as a disciplined practice of seeing beyond your own blind spots—something only possible when you’re willing to admit you don’t have all the answers.

Key Takeaways
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Coaches aren’t essential, but they’re a high-leverage shortcut to growth you can’t replicate alone.

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True mentorship requires reciprocal value—whether through money, expertise exchange, or emotional investment.

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Vulnerability is the gateway to transformation: admit you don’t know, and you open the door to real learning.

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Patience is critical: insights from mentors often come in fragments—only clarity emerges after deep internalization.

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Curiosity over entertainment: read and learn not to be impressed, but to ask, 'What would this change in my business or life?'

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1 min

Sponsor: Shopify

A promotional segment for Shopify, highlighting its ease of use and role in helping Thirsty Turtle launch their business quickly with minimal technical effort.

0:55
2 min

Welcome & Chase Club Intro

Patrick and Ben introduce the episode as a mini Q&A for Chase Club members, explaining the benefits of joining, including ad-free episodes, daily lessons, and access to the Chase Tracker app.

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2 min

The Core Question: Are Coaches Essential?

They're not essential. Essential means that without them, you can't do it. So they are not essential. But do I think that they are incredibly beneficial? The answer is yes.

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Personal Journey: No Formal Coaching

Ben shares that he never had a formal coach growing up, attributing it to mobility, mindset, or lack of opportunity—but found mentorship through books, seminars, and self-directed learning.

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5 min

The Power of Reciprocal Relationships

There's been plenty of times where people have reached out to me and said, will you mentor me? Yeah. And the answer is no. I don't have the time to just kind of give in that sense.

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High-Impact Quotes
They're not essential. Essential means that without them, you can't do it. So they are not essential. But do I think that they are incredibly beneficial? The answer is yes.
Ben2:07
Viral: 88.0
They can't even probably explain it. It's like me in a coaching environment down in the gym. Like I can sense things cause I've done it for 10 ,000
Ben26:32
Viral: 85.0
It's not only the vulnerability to recognize that and to seek out answers and guidance, but then it's the patience of sitting with whatever we get back.
Patrick29:27
Viral: 82.0
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coach effectiveness92%mentorship relationships90%personal growth88%vulnerability in learning87%reciprocal mentorship85%curiosity mindset83%structured friendship78%mental mapping75%
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