The State Of The Entertainment Business With Jeff Ross
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In this candid and humorous episode of 'Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend,' Conan sits down with longtime collaborator Jeff Ross to dissect the current state of the entertainment business. The conversation begins with Conan's playful self-deprecation as an artist out of touch with the business side of Hollywood, contrasted with Jeff's deep institutional knowledge. They explore the seismic shifts in television, particularly the rise of syndication models like Byron Allen's acquisition of a late-night time slot on CBS—essentially treating linear TV like real estate. Conan humorously contemplates launching a daytime talk show called 'Tony!' as a spiteful act, but Jeff ultimately advises against it, affirming that Conan's current podcast and HBO ventures are thriving. The discussion then turns to broader industry challenges: the oversaturation of streaming content, the difficulty for writers to find work despite abundant production, and the ballooning costs of even simple creative ideas—like using golden retrievers at the Oscars, which could cost as much as a luxury car due to animal acclimation protocols. Conan reflects on how rapidly technology has evolved—from Blockbuster videos to HDTV to today’s omnipresent smartphones—and how audiences have become desensitized to innovation. Amid the jokes, there’s a genuine undercurrent of concern about the sustainability of creative careers in an increasingly expensive, globalized, and bureaucratic industry. The episode ends on a note of resilience: despite the chaos, Conan’s core audience remains young and loyal, and his current projects are not only viable but successful.
Linear TV time slots are now being treated like real estate, with producers like Byron Allen buying airtime directly from networks.
Creative ideas that were once cheap and fast (like a dog segment on the Oscars) are now prohibitively expensive due to safety, logistics, and union rules.
Despite an explosion of streaming content, many writers and creatives are struggling to find work—especially U.S.-based ones—due to offshore production and rising costs.
Conan’s podcast and HBO show are thriving because they align with a young, digital-first audience that values authenticity and humor over traditional TV formats.
The entertainment industry has become so bureaucratic and expensive that even small creative risks now require massive budgets and approvals.
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The Business of Hollywood: Conan vs. Jeff
Conan introduces Jeff Ross as his longtime collaborator and the 'executive producer extraordinaire' who understands the business side of Hollywood. Conan admits he's an artist out of touch with the industry's financial realities, setting up a playful yet insightful conversation about the state of entertainment.
The New Reality of Linear TV: Buying Time Like Real Estate
“It's like syndication. It's essential syndication. I should go into syndication. It's essentially what he did.”
Conan’s Daytime Dream: A Spiteful Talk Show?
“I'm launching a daytime talk show. It's called Tony! And it's two A's. C-O-N-A-A-N exclamation point.”
The Cost of Creativity: Golden Retrievers and the Oscars
“Each dog has to be acclimated with the other dogs. So they all have to live together for like two weeks before they can come on.”
The Paradox of Overproduction: More Content, Fewer Jobs
Jeff and Conan reflect on the paradox of the streaming era: there are thousands of new shows, yet many writers are unemployed. They speculate that much of the content is now produced overseas, and even when U.S. writers are involved, the process is often outsourced and underpaid.
“You know what? Rihanna would shit her pants if she knew I was coming after her.”
“I'm launching a daytime talk show. It's called Tony! And it's two A's. C-O-N-A-A-N exclamation point.”
“Each dog has to be acclimated with the other dogs. So they all have to live together for like two weeks before they can come on.”
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Conan O'Brien
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Jeff Ross
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Byron Allen
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Adam
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Eduardo
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NBC
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Golden Retrievers
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CBS
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Gavin Pallone
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