546 – Getting Paid For Obsession, Ocarina of Time in 2026, Widow’s Bay

Fighting In The War Room1h 9mJune 11, 2026
AI-Generated Summary

The podcast opens with a playful debate over alien movies, pivoting to a heated discussion about labor equity in independent filmmaking after an art director’s viral Instagram post revealing she earned just $300 a day on the $750,000 indie hit *Obsession*, which grossed $165 million. The hosts dissect the moral and structural contradictions: while the crew worked grueling, multi-hat roles for pennies, the film’s success brought massive profits to producers and executives like Jason Blum—yet no one on set could have predicted the windfall. The conversation grapples with whether the art director’s public call-out is justified or counterproductive, weighing the need for systemic change against the reality that low pay is often the price of entry in the industry. They argue that while profit-sharing is unrealistic for most indie crews, the real solution lies in production companies building equity into their models from the start. The episode then shifts to a nostalgic celebration of *The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time*’s upcoming Switch 2 remake, with the hosts speculating it’s less about nostalgia than about re-establishing a narrative-rich, time-traveling Zelda mythos for a new generation—especially as a foundation for a live-action movie. Finally, they praise the Apple TV+ series *Widow’s Bay*, a horror-comedy that masterfully blends the tone of *Parks and Recreation* with Stephen King’s lore, balancing absurd humor with genuine dread in a way no other show has achieved.

Key Takeaways
1

Independent film crews often work 18-20 hour days for $300/day, but no one could have predicted a $165M box office hit when signing on.

2

Profit participation for crew is unrealistic in indie films because success is unpredictable—equity must be built into the production model from the start.

3

The art director’s public call-out may be cathartic, but it risks alienating the very industry she wants to reform; systemic change requires proactive investment, not reactive outrage.

4

The *Ocarina of Time* Switch 2 remake is less about nostalgia and more about re-establishing a narrative-driven Zelda mythos to anchor a future live-action movie.

5

The success of *Widow’s Bay* proves that horror and comedy can coexist without parody—by treating the world seriously while allowing absurdity to emerge naturally.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Opening Banter: Alien Movies & the War Room

The hosts open with a playful debate over favorite alien films, referencing *Contact*, *Spaced Invaders*, and *The X-Files*, before launching into the iconic 'You can't fight in here' line from *Dr. Strangelove*.

2:13
2 min

The Dillinger Take: Stealing as a Moral Compass

A satirical segment on whether stealing is justified, using John Dillinger’s bank robbery as a jumping-off point to question modern ethics—especially when corporations thrive while individuals feel guilty for minor thefts.

4:21
5 min

Mandalorian & Grogu: The Endless Debate

The hosts revisit the *Mandalorian* and Grogu fandom, discussing its cultural impact, family viewing, and the film’s box office underperformance, while teasing the podcast’s ongoing obsession with the franchise.

9:01
5 min

The Obsession Pay Crisis: A Viral Instagram Post

I've debated this for a long time. I've been holding a lot of weight over the past two years since the production of Obsession. So I'm going to just say it as it is. Obsession was made for $750,000 and is projected to make $250 million. How much I made? $300 a day as an art director.

Highlight
13:52
5 min

The Reality of Indie Film: Pay, Burnout, and the 'One Shot' Trap

The hosts share personal experiences of working long hours on low-budget films, questioning whether the art director’s complaint is fair when no one could have predicted the film’s success.

High-Impact Quotes
The line between laughing and being scared is like really thin. And this entire show is operating in that space.
Katie Rich58:08
And it's all about reputation because the only reason they would give away millions of dollars is to be like, this is a legitimate thing. here's how I want to take the next step in filmmaking.
Matt Patches30:18
If you're doing it sporadically, you're going to get a bunch of money all at once. That's how independent film works. That's how it draws in these people who are going to work and bleed for it.
Matt Patches31:33
Speakers

Hosts

Matt PatchesKatie Rich

Guests

Katie DippoldMatthew RhysHamish Linklater
Topics Discussed
indie film labor92%horror comedy90%film industry equity88%movie remakes85%production company equity82%zelda franchise80%government film funding75%creative burnout70%
People & Brands

Widow’s Bay

other

25xPositive

Obsession

media

22xNeutral

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

other

18xPositive

Katie Dippold

person

8xPositive

Matthew Rhys

person

7xPositive

Stephen King

person

6xPositive

Jason Blum

person

6xNeutral

Sally Choi

person

5xNeutral

Hamish Linklater

person

5xNeutral

The Four-Faced Liar

media

4xNeutral

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