Reinventing an Organization to Do More With Less
Kelly T. Clements, Deputy High Commissioner at the UN Refugee Agency, reveals how she led one of the most ambitious organizational transformations in the agency’s 75-year history—while simultaneously managing a 40% budget increase and a doubling of displaced people. Facing a crisis of 'do less with less' after dramatic aid cuts, she didn’t just cut costs—she restructured the entire organization around speed, decentralization, and refugee-led innovation. Her secret? Embedding frontline voices into decision-making, leveraging private-sector partnerships like Vodafone and IKEA for scalable solutions, and using technology—from blockchain-based cash transfers to 'Instant Schools'—to deliver aid more efficiently. What’s more, she argues that humanitarian organizations aren’t just models of resilience—they’re proving that mission-driven culture, not just resources, can sustain high performance under pressure. Corporate leaders, she insists, should learn from this: real innovation happens when you trust people on the ground, empower them with tools, and treat crises as catalysts for reinvention. The episode exposes a powerful paradox: the most effective change happens not in spite of constraints, but because of them. Clements shows that when you’re forced to do more with less, you’re forced to do it better—by listening to those affected, redesigning systems, and building partnerships that turn survival into scalability.
Decentralize decision-making to the people closest to the problem—especially refugees—to improve speed, accuracy, and dignity in aid delivery.
Move from in-kind relief to cash-based assistance using blockchain and stablecoins to reduce fraud, increase efficiency, and empower recipients.
Partner with private-sector innovators like Vodafone and IKEA not just for funding, but for scalable, mission-aligned solutions with measurable business and social returns.
Build resilience by designing for the 'unknown'—use contingency planning and step-by-step regional assessments during crises instead of reactive cuts.
Innovation must be bottom-up: create an 'innovation office' to scale proven ideas from the field, not just top-down mandates.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Entering a Legacy Organization: Listening Before Leading
Kelly Clements describes her approach to entering the UN Refugee Agency—a decade-old, consensus-driven, Geneva-centered bureaucracy—by prioritizing listening, learning, and understanding the gap between perception and reality before initiating change.
The Most Ambitious Transformation in UNHCR History
“We embarked on the most ambitious transformation program in the organization's history.”
From 'Do More With Less' to 'Do Less With Less'
“The phrase do more with less became do less with less.”
Innovation from the Ground Up: The Power of Frontline Ideas
“We've had good support also from some of our donors to test these ideas, take risks that perhaps as a UN agency may be more difficult for us but easier for them.”
Connectivity as a Lifeline: The Mobile Revolution for Refugees
“Our goal is 20 million by 2030, and we're a pace towards that goal.”
“Yeah, we have a, unfortunately the last 18 months, I think the phrase do more with less became do less with less.”
“And we, over the period of seven to eight years of the last 11, we embarked on the most ambitious transformation program in the organization's history.”
“We didn't want for the agency to take really draconian changes early, only to have to reverse them later, which would have meant an even worse impact on people.”
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