Herbalism, Imposter Syndrome & Plant Connection | Sam Roberts & Renée Camila
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In this richly layered episode of HerbRally, host Mason welcomes herbalists Sam Roberts and Renée Camila to discuss their journey from mentorship under Karen Sanders and Sarah Holmes to co-creating Now and Then Herb School, a community-centered, anti-oppressive educational space rooted in indigenous wisdom and plant relationships. The conversation unfolds with warmth and depth, exploring how intimate, reciprocal relationships with plants dismantle imposter syndrome, foster confidence, and serve as a radical act of resistance against capitalist and colonial systems. They reflect on the legacy of KPFA’s Herbal Highway (now Planting Medicine), their transition into hosting roles, and the profound importance of community—both online and in person, including transformative campouts. Central themes include disconnection as a core wound of oppression, the healing power of reconnection, and the spiritual dimension of herbalism, where low-dose plant medicine allows access to the 'spirit medicine' that underlies physical healing. The episode closes with a heartfelt exchange of gratitude and a vision for collective liberation through rooted, embodied practice.
Intimate, reciprocal relationships with plants build authentic knowledge and confidence, directly countering imposter syndrome.
Anti-oppressive, inclusive herbal education requires confronting systemic power structures and centering marginalized voices.
Low-dose plant medicine prioritizes access to spiritual and emotional healing, not just physical effects.
Community is foundational—both online and in person—through shared rituals, campouts, and mutual support.
Herbalism is inherently political and spiritual, serving as a tool for collective liberation and reconnection.
The Long-Awaited Meetup: From Email Chains to the Herbalist Hour
Mason welcomes Sam Roberts and Renée Camila to the show after years of email exchanges, celebrating their long-standing friendship and shared mentorship under Karen Sanders and Sarah Holmes. They reflect on the legacy of the Herbal Highway and its evolution into Planting Medicine on KPFA.
How Two Herbalists Found Each Other: The Story of Now and Then Herb School
“We were both coming with that intention together and that, and we have our energy is so compatible.”
Anti-Oppressive Herbalism: Teaching with Radical Honesty and Care
“We're all living in this. We're all navigating this. What's the word? I'm like grappling for a word here where you have to kind of like dissociate from what's happening to like get through it.”
Reconnection as Healing: From Disconnection to Collective Liberation
“At our very core, we are all light and vibration. We're all inherently like beautiful lovable beings even the people that do bad shit.”
The Herbal Oracle: Building Confidence Through Mystery and Relationship
Renée details the Herbal Oracle program, a lunar-based, low-commitment course where students build deep, embodied relationships with one mystery herb each month. The focus is on intuition, spirit communication, and dismantling the need to 'know everything'.
“At our very core, we are all light and vibration. We're all inherently like beautiful lovable beings even the people that do bad shit.”
“We were both coming with that intention together and that, and we have our energy is so compatible.”
“It's like a dagger in the back of imposter syndrome. It should always be daggered.”
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Renée Camila
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Sam Roberts
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Mason
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Now and Then Herb School
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KPFA
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Herbal Highway
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HerbRally
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Karen Sanders
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Sarah Holmes
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Blue Water
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