Ep 530: How to Think Like a Millionaire When the Economy Feels Out of Control

HerMoney with Jean Chatzky39mJune 3, 2026
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A staggering 67% of Americans now fear running out of money more than death—a figure that has risen sharply in just one year. In this episode of HerMoney, host Jean Chatzky dives into the psychological and practical realities of financial anxiety with Keri Joy Grimes, founder of Work Money and author of The Joy of Money. Grimes reframes the conversation not around scarcity, but around agency: she argues that the American dream is still possible, not through luck, but through deliberate choices, self-compassion, and systems that protect against life’s unpredictable moments. Drawing from her own journey as a single mom who built a 9-million-member nonprofit, she introduces the 'Life Happens Fund'—a buffer of three to nine months of expenses in high-yield savings to regain control in crises. She also challenges the myth of stock-picking superiority, advocating instead for index funds and fiduciary advisors, while celebrating women’s natural advantage in investing: a 40 basis point edge due to thoughtful, consistent behavior. The episode culminates in a powerful behavioral science tool: a three-step self-compassion practice to break the cycle of shame after financial mistakes. Ultimately, Grimes teaches that being 'good with money' isn’t about perfection—it’s about persistence, self-belief, and building a life you can actually enjoy. The key to financial resilience, Grimes insists, isn’t just saving more—it’s thinking differently.

Key Takeaways
1

Build a 'Life Happens Fund' of 3–9 months of expenses in high-yield savings to gain freedom from financial panic during crises.

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Women outperform men in investing by 40 basis points on average—your caution is a strategic advantage, not a weakness.

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Max out tax-advantaged accounts and invest in index funds; most people can’t beat the S&P 500 consistently, not even Warren Buffett.

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Use a three-step self-compassion practice after financial mistakes: acknowledge the feeling, normalize the error, and affirm your ability to improve.

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Replace 'perfect retirement' with a 'Good Enough Retirement Vision'—imagine a perfect Tuesday at 70 to make long-term planning feel doable.

…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus

Chapters
0:01
2 min

The Crisis of Financial Anxiety

67% of Americans say they are more afraid of running out of money than they are of dying. Dying! That's up 10 percentage points from just a year ago.

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2:07
5 min

The Power of Self-Belief

I decided I was going to be good at it. And then I woke up every single day for a long time and I would say, you can be good at money. You can be good at money.

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7:09
12 min

The Life Happens Fund

I don’t ever again want to be in a position where my daughter, I’m not sure where she can lay her head.

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18:58
12 min

Wealthy People’s Habits

Grimes outlines the behaviors of financially secure people: maxing tax-advantaged accounts, investing in index funds, avoiding stock picking, and hiring fiduciary advisors. She cites Warren Buffett’s will—90% of his estate going into an S&P 500 index fund—as proof that even the greatest investors trust the market over individual picks.

30:42
8 min

Self-Compassion as a Financial Tool

I feel really guilty and ashamed of myself for having done this thing. And then I know I am not the only person who's made this mistake. Other people in the world have made this mistake.

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High-Impact Quotes
Oh, she would say, I love you and you have got this. It's going to be so good. You just got to keep moving your legs, sis. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other.
Keri Joy Grimes38:22
I decided I was going to be good at it. And then I woke up every single day for a long time and I would say, you can be good at money. You can be good at money.
Keri Joy Grimes9:03
And then if I had a couple of extra texts, I would say, the best thing is about to happen. You just got to keep going towards it.
Keri Joy Grimes38:36
Speakers

Host

Jean Chatzky

Guest

Keri Joy Grimes
Topics Discussed
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