No.1 Grief Expert: Why You're Still Hurting & How To Move On

Live Well Be Well with Sarah Ann Macklin | Health, Lifestyle, Nutrition1h 23mJune 17, 2026
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Grief isn't a problem to be fixed—it's a sacred, transformative process that reshapes who we are. Dr. Chloe Pedusis-Mitchell, a trauma and grief expert with 25 years of experience, dismantles the myth of the 'five stages of grief,' explaining that Elizabeth Kübler-Ross’s framework was about dying people, not those mourning loss. Instead, grief is a nonlinear, deeply personal journey of emotional assimilation, where the brain must rewire its internal map of reality after loss. The real challenge isn't logic—it's learning to feel, sit with, and honor the pain without judgment. She emphasizes that the body holds grief, not as stored trauma, but as a lived experience in the nervous system, and that true healing comes through self-compassion, presence, and connection—not distraction or medication. The most powerful tools? Sitting with the emotion, creating a mental safe space, and recognizing that loss is everywhere—from divorce to estrangement to the quiet grief of leaving home. And when no one shows up, it’s not a reflection of your worth—it’s a call to invest in relationships before they’re needed. Ultimately, grief isn’t something to overcome; it’s a doorway to deeper self-knowledge, authenticity, and a richer life. The episode reveals that the most healing moments come not from fixing, but from being witnessed. Research shows that being seen by another human being is the only thing that truly reduces the body’s negative tension during grief.

Key Takeaways
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Grief is not a linear process—there are no 'five stages.' It’s a zigzagging, nonlinear journey of emotional assimilation.

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You can’t logic your way through grief—only feel your way through it by noticing where it lives in your body.

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The brain rewrites its internal map after loss; the absence of a person or role creates a neurological 'void' that must be relearned.

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Self-compassion is the most powerful tool for healing—start with self-empathy, then mindfulness, then compassionate action.

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When no one shows up during grief, it’s not your fault—it’s a sign to invest in relationships before they’re needed.

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The Myth of the Five Stages of Grief

When Elizabeth Kübler-Ross did her research she was interviewing dying people. So she wrote The Five Stages of Grief about mourning for your own life.

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Grief Is a Sacred Transformation

I talk in my book about assimilating it, which is learning to honor it. I think grieving is a sacred time in our life. It's not a pathology, it's not a weakness, it's a deep, profound time of transformation and transition.

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The Body Holds Grief, Not the Mind

Even as you walk through an empty room, you'll feel on a visceral level, oh, the table should be here. It sounds silly, doesn't it? But that's the world we're in.

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The Power of Being Witnessed

That's why therapy works. That's the only reason why therapy works. It's about the quality of the relationship and feeling like there's resonance.

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Self-Compassion: The Core of Healing

The most important thing that helps people live with grief is that is self-compassion.

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High-Impact Quotes
So even as you walk through an empty room, you'll feel on a visceral level, oh, the table should be here. It sounds silly, doesn't it? But that's the world we're in.
Dr. Chloe Pedusis-Mitchell27:58
That's why therapy works. That's the only reason why therapy works. It's about the quality of the relationship and feeling like there's resonance.
Dr. Chloe Pedusis-Mitchell45:45
The only thing that reduces the negative tension is being witnessed by another human being or an animal. But for most people, it's another human being.
Dr. Chloe Pedusis-Mitchell45:34
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Host

Sarah Ann Macklin

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Dr. Chloe Pedusis-Mitchell
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grief healing95%self-compassion92%emotional regulation90%invisible loss88%nervous system regulation87%trauma recovery85%grief and identity83%friendship breakup80%
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