Focusing on Growth (Not Market Cap)
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This episode of Masters in Business explores a radical rethinking of how growth-oriented investment indexes are constructed, challenging the long-standing dominance of market-cap-weighted benchmarks like the S&P 500. Hosted by Stephen Carroll and Caroline Hepker, the conversation centers on Rob Barnott, founder of Research Affiliates, who introduces the Research Affiliates Growth Index (RAFIG)—a fundamentally different approach that selects and weights companies not by valuation or market cap, but by their actual rate of growth in sales, profits, and R&D spending. The index prioritizes companies with high dollar contributions to macroeconomic growth, rather than just percentage gains, which helps avoid overexposure to small, volatile 'flash-in-the-pan' stocks. Backtested over 30 years, RAFIG has outperformed Russell Growth by 4.5% annually, with strong performance even in recent years—13% ahead in less than a year—while maintaining a 70% win rate over the long term. The episode also addresses concerns around volatility, liquidity, and the danger of data mining in index design, emphasizing a scientific, hypothesis-driven methodology over backtest cherry-picking. Despite being non-investable at the time of recording, the team expresses confidence that an ETF or mutual fund version will soon be available. The episode concludes with a broader reflection on how investment strategies should evolve with changing economic narratives—especially in the age of AI and tech-driven growth—without being trapped by past trends. The core takeaway is that investors should focus on real, measurable economic growth rather than inflated valuations or market concentration. The discussion underscores the importance of innovation in indexing and offers a compelling alternative for those wary of the risks posed by the MAG7 and cap-weighted dominance. The tone is forward-thinking, intellectually rigorous, and cautiously optimistic about the future of indexing.
Shift from market-cap weighting to dollar-based growth weighting can deliver 4.5% annual outperformance over traditional growth indexes.
RAFIG selects companies based on real growth in sales, profits, and R&D—not just percentage gains—avoiding overexposure to small, volatile firms.
The index is not driven by valuation or past performance but by a scientific hypothesis tested over time, reducing the risk of data mining.
Despite higher volatility, RAFIG has outperformed in 7 out of 10 years and has strong capacity (estimated $1.5–3 trillion) to scale.
Apple and Microsoft, despite their size, were excluded from RAFIG due to insufficient growth rates in key metrics, highlighting the index’s rigor.
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Introduction to the Growth Index Revolution
Hosts Stephen Carroll and Caroline Hepker set the stage by discussing the risks of market concentration in cap-weighted indexes and introduce Rob Barnott of Research Affiliates to discuss a new approach to growth investing.
Debunking the Growth-Value Duality
“If it's expensive, it's expensive. It's much simpler. If it's growth, it's growth.”
Introducing the Research Affiliates Growth Index (RAFIG)
“You wind up with an index that over the last 30 years would have outperformed Russell growth by four and a half percent per annum.”
Why Dollar Magnitude Matters
“If it's a 10% weight, that means that Nvidia has singularly, all by itself, been 10% of the sales or profit growth in the aggregate US economy.”
Performance, Volatility, and Capacity
RAFIG has outperformed by 13% in less than a year, with a 70% win rate over 28 years. While it has higher volatility, the long-term benefits and massive capacity (1.5–3 trillion) make it scalable and viable.
“If it's a 10% weight, that means that Nvidia has singularly, all by itself, been 10% of the sales or profit growth in the aggregate US economy.”
“The future is not going to look like the past. And if you're doing a backtest to create a better backtest—right, that's the epitome of data mining.”
“If it's expensive, it's expensive. It's much simpler. If it's growth, it's growth.”
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Rob Barnott
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Apple
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S&P 500
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NVIDIA
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Microsoft
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