NEW: The Consult Podcast w Profiler Julia Cowley (Part 1)

Mind Over Murder49mApril 6, 2026

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In this first part of a two-part episode, Kristen Dilley and Bill Thomas of *Mind Over Murder* welcome Julia Cowley, retired FBI profiler and host of *The Consult*, for an in-depth conversation about her remarkable career in law enforcement. Cowley shares her journey from forensic scientist with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation—where she worked crime scenes and had formative experiences with Dr. William Bass at the University of Tennessee’s body farm—to her time at the FBI, including her early assignments in applicants and bank fraud, and her eventual dream role as a profiler in the Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU). She candidly discusses the intense training, the emotional weight of the work, and the surprising difficulty of writing behavioral assessments despite her extensive background. Cowley reflects on the personal cost of moving from Boston to Virginia for the BAU, her deep connection to the city, and her eventual return to Massachusetts as a supervisor. She also shares powerful stories from her profiling work, including a high-profile case involving the unsolved 1990s murder of Lisa Ziegert, which was solved years later via DNA—her profile proving 100% accurate. The episode ends on a poignant note as Cowley expresses disappointment over the FBI’s refusal to answer questions from the Colonial Parkway Murders victim’s family, underscoring the emotional toll of unresolved cases. The episode highlights the human side of criminal investigation—resilience, mentorship, and the quiet triumphs of justice long delayed. Cowley’s journey illustrates how passion, adaptability, and a commitment to truth can shape a legacy beyond the badge. Her transition from FBI agent to podcast host reflects a desire to share knowledge and inspire others in the true crime community. Key takeaways include the importance of staying curious, the value of interdisciplinary experience, and the enduring power of hope in cold cases. Her story is a testament to the idea that even when the system fails, individuals can still make a difference.

Key Takeaways
1

Your background in forensic science, even if not in violent crime, can be a powerful foundation for becoming an FBI profiler.

2

The FBI’s BAU selection process is highly competitive and requires a strong track record, internal application, and peer support.

3

Writing behavioral assessments is far more challenging than expected—precision, evidence-based reasoning, and clarity are critical.

4

Moving to Quantico for the BAU was emotionally difficult, even for a dream job, due to deep ties to Boston and family.

5

Cold cases can be solved decades later through DNA, fingerprints, or public tips—never give up hope.

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2 min

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1:56
3 min

Introducing Julia Cowley: From Forensic Scientist to FBI Profiler

It was the best decision I think ever made in my whole life to roll the dice and just go do it.

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5:00
8 min

The FBI Journey: From Applicants to Public Corruption

I just tried to be really positive about it. And it really did turn out to be some of my best years.

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12:30
11 min

The Path to the BAU: NCAABC Coordinator to Profiler

It's not really about the violations you work. It's about how good an investigator you are.

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23:20
13 min

The Reality of Being a Profiler: Training, Humility, and Hard Work

I don't want to say I went in there thinking I know it all. I think I just recognized how much I actually didn't know.

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High-Impact Quotes
Why not answer your questions? It seems to me that at this point, the suspect is dead. It's not going to trial.
Julia Cowley45:42
Viral: 92.0
It's not going to trial. Why not answer your questions?
Julia Cowley45:49
Viral: 92.0
It's not really about the violations you work. It's about how good an investigator you are.
Julia Cowley20:37
Viral: 90.0
Speakers

Hosts

Kristen DilleyBill Thomas

Guest

Julia Cowley
Topics Discussed
FBI Profiler Career Path95%Forensic Science in Law Enforcement90%Cold Case Investigations88%Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU)85%Victim Advocacy and Family Impact82%DNA and Forensic Technology80%Professional Transition and Retirement75%True Crime Podcasting70%
People & Brands

Julia Cowley

person

12xPositive

FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit

organization

10xPositive

Bill Thomas

person

8xPositive

Kristen Dilley

person

8xPositive

Dr. William Bass

person

7xNeutral

Lisa Ziegert

person

6xNeutral

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation

organization

6xPositive

Colonial Parkway Murders

other

6xNegative

The Consult

media

5xPositive

University of Tennessee Body Farm

organization

5xPositive

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